win10 again.

[stj]

http://consumerist.com/2016/02/24/wi...screen-savers/

[rhomanski]

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Next the ads will be talking, your computer will turn itself on when you enter the room, just plain crazy.

[stj]

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actually, dont be surprised if the add's are related to conversations in the room.
i'v seen white papers from m$ in the past relating to exploiting the xbox kinect camera/mic unit for marketing.
it even went so far as to identify tv / radio stations in the background by live sample&compare methods.

[Topcat]

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I guess I dont have to worry....an OS I will never use!

[kaboom]

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See, 20 years ago it was called adware/malware/spyware- y'know, when idiot exploiter got taken over and nuked your entire win98 install

Boot disk time!

deltree C:\ /y
format C: /u /q
fdisk (to kill partition)
reset or power cycle
boot and fdisk (to create partition)
restart with boot disk
format C: /u
sys A: C:

Copy all everything in config.sys and autoexec.bat from boot disk to C:
restart, reinstall from win98 CD

Yawn, nothing new..

No need for any fucking m$ apologists to "demand proof" or defend, with their stockholm syndome, any of this bs. Kinect is/was well known; XBONE took it further, just as 8/10 have taken the "vista lessons" further. That sheepishness and compliance is how in the hell we got to this point!

[Sparkey55]

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HAL open the bay door.

Sorry Dave, I can not do that.

[momaka]

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Next the ads will be talking, your computer will turn itself on when you enter the room, just plain crazy.

If that happens, this is how I'll end it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzhH900EjgE

[Uranium-235]

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If windows was free after the "free upgrade period", I would be comfortable with it. But on a retail paid product, I would be absolutely pissed

[xelectech]

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If windows was free after the "free upgrade period", I would be comfortable with it. But on a retail paid product, I would be absolutely pissed

Marketing morons have taken over the world 8^(

[Topcat]

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Marketing morons have taken over the world 8^(

One of the downsides of capitalism....

[Agent24]

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My already barely-perceptible interest in Windows 10 is dropping by the day!

[Ascaris]

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One of the downsides of capitalism....

Keep the faith... Windows 10, after being out for more than 6 months and being free for many of us for all of that time, accompanied by an unprecedented effort on Microsoft's part to push us into it, has only just managed to pass Windows XP in market share, according to Netmarketshare.com.

Perhaps even worse (for Microsoft) than that is that 10 still hasn't managed to exceed the market share of Windows 8 (including 8.1)-- the Windows version that was so bad, whose name was so toxic, that MS had to give away 10 in the first place.

If you read the comment section of any Windows 10 article on any tech site, including those that have declared Windows 10 to be the best thing ever, they are mostly dominated by horror stories. A lot of them, perhaps most, may be a result of trying to upgrade a Windows installation of questionable integrity, but that doesn't matter-- it was Microsoft who told them it was a good idea to upgrade what they perceived as a perfectly functional system, but left them with something less than that.

I could be way off, but it seems like "Windows 10" is becoming as radioactive as "Windows 8" was previously. We can only hope. No company that has treated its customers so poorly while trying to force them to take its product should be rewarded for it. The precedent would be horrible.

[stj]

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if gates gets his way, the next operating system upgrade will be installed by a mosquito.

[diif]

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If you read the comment section of any Windows 10 article on any tech site, including those that have declared Windows 10 to be the best thing ever, they are mostly dominated by horror stories. A lot of them, perhaps most, may be a result of trying to upgrade a Windows installation of questionable integrity, but that doesn't matter-- it was Microsoft who told them it was a good idea to upgrade what they perceived as a perfectly functional system, but left them with something less than that. .

IT pros don't moan in the comment sections of tech sites. They are either finding the solution to the problem or chilling as they run a tight ship.


If Microsoft software was as amazing as they claimed there would be no need for IT pros or any other software company.

I do quite a few repair jobs where users have made a mess of things far worse than if they had called a pro in the first place, a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

[Per Hansson]

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Saw this too, impressive that M$ never learns to do it right from the start:

http://www.techpowerup.com/220368/wi...r-modding.html

[diif]

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Saw this too, impressive that M$ never learns to do it right from the start:

http://www.techpowerup.com/220368/wi...r-modding.html

Yeah. What happened to "Developers, developers, developers" ? Microsoft have taken a big dump on them with changing frameworks and making such a mess of the app store. Seems counter productive and will leave them with no content.

[Ascaris]

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I posted this yesterday, I think, but it's not showing up... I don't imagine a mod would have deleted it, so here it is again:

IT pros don't moan in the comment sections of tech sites. They are either finding the solution to the problem or chilling as they run a tight ship.


If Microsoft software was as amazing as they claimed there would be no need for IT pros or any other software company.

I do quite a few repair jobs where users have made a mess of things far worse than if they had called a pro in the first place, a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

I never said it was "IT pros" doing the complaining. The complainers I mentioned are generally people who never would (or should) have attempted an in-place upgrade if Microsoft hadn't pushed them into it. When it goes south, as it often has, they're going to blame Windows 10-- and they are, which adds to the perception that 10 is bad news.

In reality, they should also be blaming the GWX adware for failing to properly screen Windows installations that are poor candidates for upgrade, not to mention whatever version of Windows they've upgraded from for being so prone to accumulating "cruft," and the Windows installer that can't properly deal with that cruft. It's all Microsoft, but not all 10 itself.

My objections to 10 have to do with all the stuff it does by design, not things like BSODs or instability that can be fixed. Unless MS changes its design parameters, there won't be fixes for the real problems with Windows 10, and they'll never do that if people accept it the way it is.

[diif]

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I posted this yesterday, I think, but it's not showing up... I don't imagine a mod would have deleted it, so here it is again:


I never said it was "IT pros" doing the complaining. The complainers I mentioned are generally people who never would (or should) have attempted an in-place upgrade if Microsoft hadn't pushed them into it. When it goes south, as it often has, they're going to blame Windows 10-- and they are, which adds to the perception that 10 is bad news.

In reality, they should also be blaming the GWX adware for failing to properly screen Windows installations that are poor candidates for upgrade, not to mention whatever version of Windows they've upgraded from for being so prone to accumulating "cruft," and the Windows installer that can't properly deal with that cruft. It's all Microsoft, but not all 10 itself.

My objections to 10 have to do with all the stuff it does by design, not things like BSODs or instability that can be fixed. Unless MS changes its design parameters, there won't be fixes for the real problems with Windows 10, and they'll never do that if people accept it the way it is.

Those whiners are a small amount of the 100+ million installs.
I can't blame Ferrari if I crash their car because I can't handle it's speed.
I can't blame the man that sells me the climbing shoes that help me climb then fall to my death as I'm a novice.
I can't blame the man that sells me a hammer I then smash my hand with as i don't know how to use it.

Those users have a choice, if they didn't have a choice they'd be annoyed.
If they had chosen to get a pro in to configure their PC they wouldn't have been pushed into an upgrade.

Yeah, when things go wrong, people don't like to accept blame. They want to blame someone or something else.

Upgrades do and will fail. Apple, Android, BB, printer firmwares etc, i've seen them all do it. With the amount of code that goes into Windows and then all the third party software i'm surprised things work at all sometimes.

Rather than screen the Windows installs to see which will fail. It's probably far easier to screen the user ad then advise them to seek help.

[Ascaris]

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Those whiners are a small amount of the 100+ million installs.

The ones saying the 10 upgrade went fine and that it is a fine OS appear to be an even smaller slice of that group. I also would not characterize people who followed Microsoft's advice and ended up with an unbootable PC as "whiners."

All I have is anecdotal evidence (which is mostly negative) and the 11.85% market share of 10 after 7 months of being given away (to non-enterprise licensees) and an unprecedented push to get people to upgrade. They haven't even managed to surpass the market share of Windows 8/8.1, and it was the perception of 8 as being terrible that led to them starting over and developing (and giving away) 10. More people, thus far, have decided to stick with 8 and 8.1 than have upgraded to 10 from all Windows versions combined (not to mention those who may have purchased 10 or a computer with 10 already on it). 10 doesn't look like a hit to me, and I hope it's not. Microsoft must not be rewarded for their behavior.

I can't blame Ferrari if I crash their car because I can't handle it's speed.
I can't blame the man that sells me the climbing shoes that help me climb then fall to my death as I'm a novice.
I can't blame the man that sells me a hammer I then smash my hand with as i don't know how to use it.

That's not what Microsoft is doing. That is closer to what they did (for example) during the 95 era, when demand for 95 was high and a lot of people wanted to save money by buying the 95 Upgrade edition (through normal retail channels, of their own volition) and upgrading their 3.1 installations. If people who did not know what they were doing borked their systems using that upgrade, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

That's not what MS is doing now. They're installing adware on people's PCs using a trusted means that is normally used for updates that help ensure that people's PCs remain safe and secure. The GWX adware is thus a trusted update itself, one that is supposed to scan people's systems and tell them if there will be any problems upgrading. It's telling most of them that it is a good idea... go ahead!

If that's not enough, Windows Updates itself is pushing the upgrade as a "recommended" update. For some users, it asks if they'd like to upgrade to Windows 10 now or later this evening. It doesn't have an option for "No," other than to close the window-- but as research has shown, if you give people two options, they feel compelled to pick one of them. You can bet Microsoft knew that when they did not include a "Do not upgrade" button.

Microsoft is not exactly telling users that installing this recommended update is something that is risky and that they might want to hire an "IT pro" to perform for them. For many people, Microsoft IS the IT pro telling them to go ahead and do it. They wrote the tool that tells people it's okay when it's not... they pushed the upgrade out as a "recommended" update to people who don't know what they are doing. They wrote the installer that sometimes transforms a working Windows 7 or 8 installation into a half-completed, non-working Windows 10 installation that can neither be completed nor reverted.

Those users have a choice, if they didn't have a choice they'd be annoyed.
If they had chosen to get a pro in to configure their PC they wouldn't have been pushed into an upgrade.

You think average Windows users should go "get a pro" every time a Windows Update needs to be installed? Windows 10 was pushed as a Windows Update!

Yeah, when things go wrong, people don't like to accept blame. They want to blame someone or something else.

And in this case, they are 100% right to do so. It's Microsoft's fault, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. They were doing as they were advised by the very maker of the operating system-- you can't fault them for that.

Upgrades do and will fail. Apple, Android, BB, printer firmwares etc, i've seen them all do it. With the amount of code that goes into Windows and then all the third party software i'm surprised things work at all sometimes.

Of course-- we know that. Does the average person using Windows know that? When Microsoft is virtually browbeating its users to upgrade, do we expect the non-techie users to somehow know that an OS upgrade is risky and that they had better have a backup? I am fanatical about backups (just before I tried Win 10, I imaged my system twice to two separate externals which were never plugged in at the same time), but most people have no clue about them or why they would want one (even with Windows trying to force the issue on people by putting it in the Action Center, most people still don't).

At the very least, it would be nice if the Windows installer would reliably revert to the prior version of Windows in case of error, but it's not. Many, many people have had it fail to revert after a failed upgrade attempt. Unless we're seeing a lot of curiously-timed hard drive failures that happen right at the worst possible moment, I find that inexcusable.

Rather than screen the Windows installs to see which will fail. It's probably far easier to screen the user ad then advise them to seek help.

Maybe so, but that's not what they did. They told people who had questionable installations (as evidenced by the eventual failure of the upgrade to work) that they were clear for upgrade, then rendered their PCs unbootable and without a means to revert to the previous version.