Banks & Newspapers mess Linux users around

[stj]

Linux has a much higher use than that chart shows.
the problem is that you cant create charts like that by web monitoring.

thanks to badly / intentionally designed websites like certain u.s. newspapers, non-windows users have to fake the browser & o.s. return strings to get the pages to show!

[shovenose]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

Linux has a much higher use than that chart shows.
the problem is that you cant create charts like that by web monitoring.

thanks to badly / intentionally designed websites like certain u.s. newspapers, non-windows users have to fake the browser & o.s. return strings to get the pages to show!

lolwut?

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

you didnt know?

go browse some newspaper & banking sites with opera, ie and firefox.
some sites id the browser and serve a different set of html to each one.
and some mess you around if your not using windows.

[Per Hansson]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

Linux has a much higher use than that chart shows.
the problem is that you cant create charts like that by web monitoring.

thanks to badly / intentionally designed websites like certain u.s. newspapers, non-windows users have to fake the browser & o.s. return strings to get the pages to show!

lolwut?

you didnt know?

go browse some newspaper & banking sites with opera, ie and firefox.
some sites id the browser and serve a different set of html to each one.
and some mess you around if your not using windows.

It's a conspiracy involving the Rockefellers, the Illuminati and your house cat.
You didn't know? It's done so that the tax return money wont be tainted by the feet of a certain penguin.
Just try filling out the tax return form on the IRS website and your cat will prevent it by biting off the cable for your Internet connection!
The Rockefellers need the OS usage charts to show Windows or now that it's become so cheap preferably Apple OS so that people keep purchasing expensive software.
If the truth got out that you can do everything better with software released under the GPL license the sheeple might stop buying software, and the Rockefellers would therefore loose their power as world leaders kept under their secret organization the Illuminati.

[kaboom]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

It's a conspiracy involving the Rockefellers, the Illuminati and your house cat.
You didn't know? It's done so that the tax return money wont be tainted by the feet of a certain penguin.
Just try filling out the tax return form on the IRS website and your cat will prevent it by biting off the cable for your Internet connection!
The Rockefellers need the OS usage charts to show Windows or now that it's become so cheap preferably Apple OS so that people keep purchasing expensive software.
If the truth got out that you can do everything better with software released under the GPL license the sheeple might stop buying software, and the Rockefellers would therefore loose their power as world leaders kept under their secret organization the Illuminati.

That's enough, Per.

As far back as 1996, in the heyday of the original browser war, it was easy enough to examine how code was different depending on the target browser.

See the highlighted item?


FWIW, had a SuSE linux live CD, circa 2006, where that entire string, including OS, was something along the lines of mozilla/gecko/windows NT. Again, in linux. OK?!

After looking into this, it turned out they did this "in order for certain webpages to appear correctly," as you could select different strings and users/testers posted on their forums that this "workaround" was required, y'know, to "handle" certain sites.

Deliberately or otherwise. Far as I'm concerned, it's all deliberate- what part of any code isn't???

And, yes, sites are "rigged" to blow off certain browsers: shitty in-house software (mis)design that "we can do it!" corporate blowhards pull, like "platform" apps that only run in IE (and in compat mode nonetheless, how funny). Too lazy to hire actual devs, let's throw IE-shit at the wall and see what works, ugghhh... It didn't work then and it doesn't work now; not even on an 8 core I7 wonder.

And failurefox with 1,000 LOC to say "hello world."

Chrome/Iron, that still has printing/formatting trouble, which doesn't matter for the former; the last thing google cares about is the stupid-to-them home-user actually getting a sane browser, let alone printing. Hell, I'm surprised they didn't just run it thru the same print API note/wordpad uses.


Now run along, "good german." If hitler came back, you'd be taking jabs at the "Paul Reveres," exactly as you did to stj. If stj said the grass is green and the sky is blue, would ya throw more perjoratives his way?

Not that any of my post matters: "you can tell a German, but not much."

(note- German in attitude, not necessarily in reality)

[Per Hansson]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

Websites look for browser version, not OS version.
That users decided to change both the OS string and browser string is either due to lack of knowledge or just lazyness.
(Easy to just copy/paste a Windows browsers version string)

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

Websites look for browser version, not OS version.

they request and log both.
how they use it is upto the host.

go to microsoft.com using linux for a demonstration.

[Per Hansson]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

they request and log both.
how they use it is upto the host.

No, they request the user agent string which includes both the browser and OS version on one line

go to microsoft.com using linux for a demonstration.

I attached two screenshots of how Microsoft.com looks in CentOS7 vs Win7.
Hint: I took the liberty of naming the files since the website looks exactly the same!

CentOS 7 and Firefox 38:
User Agent String:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0

Win7 and Firefox 42:
User Agent String:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

good, now try and download something - direct-x for example.
try on both

[Per Hansson]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

good, now try and download something - direct-x for example.
try on both

Wow, and it worked perfectly fine - on both!
I even made this post in CentOS7, and attached the pictures.
And see, even that worked; amazing I know right!?

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

well it never used to work, it used to say that it could only download on a windows o.s.

[Per Hansson]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

well it never used to work, it used to say that it could only download on a windows o.s.

Ahh what a shame, so they fixed it just today before I did my tests.
Or maybe it's because I don't have a cat.
But in any case maybe you could then tell us about all the banking sites and news sites that "mess you around if your not using windows."

Incidentally I just paid an electronic bill I had at my Swedish bank.
Normally on Win7 when I login with Opera they complain that it's not a supported browser and that my cat might kill me for using an unsupported browser when paying my bills.
But since I don't have a cat I've always tried anyway and it's always been fine, even on the Presto engine up until I finally had to let it go a year or so ago with tears in my eyes.
But today on CentOS 7 and Firefox I did not even get a single warning, did not hear any cats either or see any black helicopters.

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

you should fire up that presto based opera browser and try to download from mega.

[SteveNielsen]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

you should fire up that presto based opera browser and try to download from mega.

Convention dictates that the burden of proof is upon the party making the claim. You do it.

[TechGeek]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

Ahh what a shame, so they fixed it just today before I did my tests.
Or maybe it's because I don't have a cat.
But in any case maybe you could then tell us about all the banking sites and news sites that "mess you around if your not using windows."

Incidentally I just paid an electronic bill I had at my Swedish bank.
Normally on Win7 when I login with Opera they complain that it's not a supported browser and that my cat might kill me for using an unsupported browser when paying my bills.
But since I don't have a cat I've always tried anyway and it's always been fine, even on the Presto engine up until I finally had to let it go a year or so ago with tears in my eyes.
But today on CentOS 7 and Firefox I did not even get a single warning, did not hear any cats either or see any black helicopters.

^^^^Hahahahah!

[ratdude747]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

good, now try and download something - direct-x for example.
try on both

Been doing that on linux for ages... while the automatic OS detection goes somewhat wonky, I've always been able to download from microsoft. The only thing I've ever had happen is that when downloading drivers from dell or the like, I have to manually tell it what OS.

But wait... I don't have a cat!

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

Convention dictates that the burden of proof is upon the party making the claim. You do it.

o.k. - i'll go do it now.
for the record,
Opera
Version 12.16
Build 1860
Platform Linux

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

here you go.

[Per Hansson]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

Of course mega.nz only works on supported BROWSERS

https://mega.nz/#blog_1
https://mega.nz/#blog_12

Protip: a browser is not an operating system (Even what Google might tell you) I guess you didn't know.

There is a reason Opera abandoned the Presto engine you know, and you are looking right at it: lack of HTML5 support.
But this is so far off topic that it's just crazy, the discussion involving Linux was at least borderline on topic.
Still waiting on the flood of banking sites and news sites not working in Linux.

[stj]

Re: The 2016 Operating System Thread

HTML5 works fine on utube with the last versions of presto.