Goodbye Windows Hello Ubuntu

[Per Hansson]

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stj, you could have at least quoted the post, but I'll quote the MS KB article about the July cumulative Windows Update client instead:

This update installs a new Group Policy object that enables you to block upgrades to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update.

Yes, very terrible update from the evil empire that lets you block the installation of the "Get Windows 10" app via group policy, I understand a Windows 10 activist like you really recommend against installing it!

[shovenose]

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R1 and R2 are the same in that regard, both are vista-ish in appearance and core. Vista after SP2 functions very nicely I might add....and given the W10 trainwreck, I've never been so glad that there's no "upgrade path"! W10 is not any kind of an upgrade to anything, especially W7. ...so in desperation, M$ will do what they do best, and try killing things off by lack of support for things such as DX or IE....

2008 R2 is based on 7 (NT Kernel 6.1) while 2008 (R1) is based on Vista (NT Kernel 6.0)

[Topcat]

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2008 R2 is based on 7 (NT Kernel 6.1) while 2008 (R1) is based on Vista (NT Kernel 6.0)

Indeed....but vista SP2 pretty much updated it to 6.1 without formally saying so (hence the massive performance increases post SP2)..... That said since sidetracking the thread.... You truly believe this business model is the correct path? Any clear thinking geek sees the travesty afoot here....

[shovenose]

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Indeed....but vista SP2 pretty much updated it to 6.1 without formally saying so (hence the massive performance increases post SP2)..... That said since sidetracking the thread.... You truly believe this business model is the correct path? Any clear thinking geek sees the travesty afoot here....

I bet if MS gave Vista users the opportunity to upgrade to 10 for free (they should have) people would be upgrading al ot. Not that Server 2008 or 2008 R2 is bad (it's not - it's reliable, secure, everything a server OS should be)... heck I still run it on my phone server.

[Topcat]

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I bet if MS gave Vista users the opportunity to upgrade to 10 for free (they should have) people would be upgrading al ot. Not that Server 2008 or 2008 R2 is bad (it's not - it's reliable, secure, everything a server OS should be)... heck I still run it on my phone server.

I can only imagine W10 on vista-era hardware.....we're talking netburst P4's and early C2D's with sub-4GB RAM and elderly GPU's (most of which didn't even support Aero in its prime. Talk about unsupported and slow!! Anyone upgrading from vista to 10 on that era hardware would regret it very quickly....especially when they had to PAY MICROSOFT to play solitaire thereafter.....

[stj]

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i will say this, the spyware - sorry:telemetry make these o.s.'s illegal to use in many professions and even country's

law firms, doctors offices, hospitals, banks etc.

and if your in charge of a company designing the next "big thing" are you going to risk waking up one morning to find some nobody in another country has somehow patented your design?

ask airbus about how much corporate spying can cost!

[Per Hansson]

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you won't get any updates like this because server 2008 is basically vista and has no upgrade path.

r1 and r2 are the same in that regard, both are vista-ish in appearance and core. Vista after sp2 functions very nicely i might add....and given the w10 trainwreck, i've never been so glad that there's no "upgrade path"! W10 is not any kind of an upgrade to anything, especially w7. ...so in desperation, m$ will do what they do best, and try killing things off by lack of support for things such as dx or ie....

You might want to give Windows Server 2016 Essentials Technical Preview 3 a go if you have a VM or some system to play with.
I'll say that I'm not quite at the tinfoil level of Win10 hate that some members here are.
But then again some of the stuff about it is bad, they wont ever find out what though because they have not been using it for a year like me

That said allot of what I dislike in Win10 is gone/fixed in Server 2016, it really feels as you say like a really nice workstation OS!
I just hope they don't fuck it up before it's release sometime next year!
I should add that there are some serious issue, like the settings app crashing on allot of menus etc.
But hey, it's a preview so give it a go if you have some time, you might just like it

It's at the bottom of this page:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/eval...hnical-preview

[mockingbird]

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My take on this is that I agree with shovenose that ubuntu is not meant for the desktop, but I also dislike anything past Windows XP for business use. If Microsoft wants to produce operating systems for old women to copy down recipes and check their grandchildren on Facebook, fine. But that shouldn't be your core product. Your core product should cater to businesses.

And that's why POSReady2009 (XP in essence) is still being supported.

[diif]

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My take on this is that I agree with shovenose that ubuntu is not meant for the desktop, but I also dislike anything past Windows XP for business use. If Microsoft wants to produce operating systems for old women to copy down recipes and check their grandchildren on Facebook, fine. But that shouldn't be your core product. Your core product should cater to businesses.

And that's why POSReady2009 (XP in essence) is still being supported.

XP is EOL in enterprise, most jumped to 7 as most decent enterprise admins keep their users well away from the OS anyway, so security becomes a priority. The majority stuck on 7 rather than moving to 8/8.1 as the interface change would require retraining and if it works why fix it ?
It costs serious £/$ to still receive the XP updates for desktop systems.

[mockingbird]

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The security updates are free. The method of obtaining them is just a little unorthodox (I highly recommend the ryanvm.net forums for keeping track of these updates).

And Microsoft now started blocking POSReady from installing in XP, so they have to be modified.

But look at it this way: If I'm an admin of a company, and I have a few hundred licensed XP computers, and I have no reason to switch to 7, I'd just rely on POSReady updates. It's perfectly legal to install POSReady updates in XP.

If you're vigilant and keep XP up-to-date, you will be as secure as any Windows 7/8/10 box out there at least until April 9 2019, which is when it will stop being supported. And Xp is a much more mature OS, so you won't have to deal with all the silly little quirks each new Windows version brings.

[c_hegge]

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I can only imagine W10 on vista-era hardware.....we're talking netburst P4's and early C2D's with sub-4GB RAM and elderly GPU's (most of which didn't even support Aero in its prime. Talk about unsupported and slow!! Anyone upgrading from vista to 10 on that era hardware would regret it very quickly....especially when they had to PAY MICROSOFT to play solitaire thereafter.....

I 100% agree on solitaire. M$ REALLY should have just left in there for free like in Vista. BUT, as for the performance, bear in mind that 10 is actually faster than 7, 8 and especially vista on older hardware. In fact, it might even be (just) usable on a Pentium 4 or D, like XP was. I'm typing this from a C2D windows 10 machine now which was downgraded from 7. As much as I hate the way it looks and functions, I have to admit that it is definitely faster.

As for linux, FSX doesn't run on it, and neither does my USB oscilloscope. If I didn't use those two, I'd be running OpenSUSE.

[diif]

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The security updates are free. The method of obtaining them is just a little unorthodox (I highly recommend the ryanvm.net forums for keeping track of these updates).

And Microsoft now started blocking POSReady from installing in XP, so they have to be modified.

But look at it this way: If I'm an admin of a company, and I have a few hundred licensed XP computers, and I have no reason to switch to 7, I'd just rely on POSReady updates. It's perfectly legal to install POSReady updates in XP.

If you're vigilant and keep XP up-to-date, you will be as secure as any Windows 7/8/10 box out there at least until April 9 2019, which is when it will stop being supported. And Xp is a much more mature OS, so you won't have to deal with all the silly little quirks each new Windows version brings.

You're very wrong, it breaks the EULA, and if you were an enterprise paying volume licensing, it's free to upgrade to 7, you'd have done that before XP became EOL.

[mockingbird]

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You're very wrong, it breaks the EULA, and if you were an enterprise paying volume licensing, it's free to upgrade to 7, you'd have done that before XP became EOL.

Well I have done some work for a large company with hundreds of computers that operate on XP exclusively, and all of them have OEM licenses. They rightfully have no plans of updating their OS. XP works perfectly for what they need it for, and like Topcat mentioned, these PCs would need significant upgrades to run as fast on Windows 7 as they're running on XP. And for what? These are essentially dumb terminals which are used for nothing more than data entry.

Regarding the legality of using POSReady updates in XP, as long as an inspector sees an XP license on the box, or the company can provide documentation for its VLK licenses, he's not going to start checking file versions to see if they're using them.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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None of the above are installed, nor do they show up in the optional list. These machines are S2K8 R1 though. I never install optional updates.

Should of gotten R2! R1 is Vista. Even when Vista isn't bad like the horror stories I hear about Windows 10...

I only have R1 for 32-bit, it's the last Windows Server version to support 32-bit.

[diif]

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Well I have done some work for a large company with hundreds of computers that operate on XP exclusively, and all of them have OEM licenses. They rightfully have no plans of updating their OS. XP works perfectly for what they need it for, and like Topcat mentioned, these PCs would need significant upgrades to run as fast on Windows 7 as they're running on XP. And for what? These are essentially dumb terminals which are used for nothing more than data entry.

Regarding the legality of using POSReady updates in XP, as long as an inspector sees an XP license on the box, or the company can provide documentation for its VLK licenses, he's not going to start checking file versions to see if they're using them.

If they are kept away from the internet and are used for data entry there isn't much of a problem.

Legality doesn't change depending if it is checked or not, it breaks their EULA and as they are charging a good deal extra to support them i'd have thought they were quite keen to clamp down. I know the UK Met and parts of the NHS have coughed up a few million £ to keep their patches coming.

I don't think POSready is a full version of XP so even fully patched, parts of XP that are not used by POSready will fail to be updated.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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I don't think POSready is a full version of XP so even fully patched, parts of XP that are not used by POSready will fail to be updated.

I believe it is just like normal XP but with a different installer and it seems that only prefetch got disabled...
(I dunno why, but it seemed like prefetch was disabled the last time I tested it.)

It looked like that was intentional to make it SSD ready.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Should of gotten R2! R1 is Vista. Even when Vista isn't bad like the horror stories I hear about Windows 10...

I only have R1 for 32-bit, it's the last Windows Server version to support 32-bit.

Because of the horror stories about Windows 10, Vista seems to just be a tiny annoyance!

[Toasty]

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<snip> We know that you're santa's favorite elf at the M$ christmas party....</snip>

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

[Topcat]

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Should of gotten R2! R1 is Vista. Even when Vista isn't bad like the horror stories I hear about Windows 10...

I only have R1 for 32-bit, it's the last Windows Server version to support 32-bit.

I do have R2. I use R1 on some older machines for the 32 bit version, R2 is 64 bit only.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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I do have R2. I use R1 on some older machines for the 32 bit version, R2 is 64 bit only.

Yes, I knew that. That's why I got R1 for 32-bit rigs.