Goodbye Windows Hello Ubuntu

[mmartell]

Since I'm mostly new to Linux I want to go where the herd is and that seems like Ubuntu. My impression of all linux flavours is that the gui is the lipstick on the pig. By that I mean it's an effort to get more people to use it but if you can't Sudo this and Sudo that your just an end-user and screw you anyway. Well this is not something I want to go to school four nights a week for and stay awake at night memorizing Terminal commands. This is for my family and I to use, not program.

I have previously loaded Ubuntu to Acer laptop as a proof-of-concept which went smooth as silk. Didn't intend to use it at the time so didn't do much of anything with it.

Next up is the problematic HP DV9000. This makes a grown man want to take a hammer to his laptop then turn it on himself. This has the famous Broadcom 4311 (?) and Nvidia graphics chip. So...

I loaded the Proprietary, Tested driver and lo - black screen. Went into Recovery to boot up in low graphics mode, but why would I think that should work ? Haven't even begun to have a crack at the wifi card yet.

What is the proper way to get back to a gui so I can try the other drivers in the list ?

This is really just me getting my feet wet in preparation for loading Ubuntuon the family rig for all to use.

[stj]

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answering some questions.

linux is commandline based wih a gui - as you guessed.
the gui is usually chosen before you install because a lot of distributions have different iso's for each one. (gnome, kde, lxde etc.)

laptops with 2 gpu's - nvidia optimus must have a package installed called bumblebee afaik.

starting the gui from command line - type "startx"

btw, a friend has a dv9000, i seem to remember it hates ubuntu almost a much as me.
but it works fine on mint or opensuse - i forget which.
i'll ask him later.

[diif]

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I'm a fan of Mint, I've installed it for a few of my customers when XP became EOL.

[SteveNielsen]

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Right on stj. The only truly reliable way I know of to select the DE/GUI is at installation of Linux. You can try to futz around and change it afterwards all you want to but it's not going to work right, if at all.

Choose the distro of Linux and the GUI that works best for your machine and you. That's the bottom line. There is no perfect distro that will work fine for all computers and users. there just isn't, and there never will be. Hence there can be no "best" distribution or GUI.

For command line and SUDO whines and complaints I say: Ah, bullshit! Pull your lazy minds out of your asses or wherever they are and LEARN TO READ! If you're an illiterate you're probably just a lazy shit. Blind people can read. Retarded people can read. Fucking monkeys and apes and dogs can learn to read.

There is also absolutely no need to learn more than a few terminal commands and learning those comes naturally with use so it's really no big deal. For complex commands it is an easy task to copy the command text and paste it into terminal (or anything else for that matter), that's about the easiest thing there is to do.

[Topcat]

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Server 2008 is still holding up well....and no pesky W10 nonsense.

[shovenose]

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Elementary OS is basically Ubuntu with a really, really nice UI. Xubuntu is a lot closer to "Ubuntu" but with XFCE which is more Windows-like and lighter than Ubuntu's Unity interface.

Ubuntu itself is slow, bloated, and ugly IMO.

BUT so many things don't work right out of the box on Linux or you can't use the latest versions. I will just go through my computer and list things that wouldn't work on Ubuntu:

-Adobe Creative Cloud
-Cisco Network Assistant
-Games
-Paint.NET
-Backblaze
-HD Tune Pro
-McAfee Endpoint Security
-Microsoft Office 2013
-SeaTools
-VMware Workstation

and that's just some of them Why do you think Windows is so popular?

[Topcat]

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Why do you think Windows is so popular?

With the impending disaster that W10 is, followed with the pathetic lump that 8/8.1 was, and the rapid development & support of *nix, windows popularity has been rapidly diminishing since the introduction of W8 primarily due to its counter-productivity among the business world. Windows (along with the PC) in the consumer market is amid its death roll....dying off by tablet and phone. Businesses/corporations shunned off W8/8.1, and W10 will not be accepted either. They will do the same with W7 as they did with XP, and that's run it into and beyond EoL before changing to W8 or W10. The OS war is over, its not 2002 anymore.

[shovenose]

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With the impending disaster that W10 is, followed with the pathetic lump that 8/8.1 was, and the rapid development & support of *nix, windows popularity has been rapidly diminishing since the introduction of W8 primarily due to its counter-productivity among the business world. Windows (along with the PC) in the consumer market is amid its death roll....dying off by tablet and phone. Businesses/corporations shunned off W8/8.1, and W10 will not be accepted either. They will do the same with W7 as they did with XP, and that's run it into and beyond EoL before changing to W8 or W10. The OS war is over, its not 2002 anymore.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/...microsoft-says

Clearly there is nobody using Windows 10! /s

But I do see your point. Even retraining employees from 7 to 10 gets expensive in a corporate environment. It'll be interesting to see what happens in 2020 when MS says goodbye to 7!

[Topcat]

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http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/...microsoft-says

Clearly there is nobody using Windows 10! /s

There would be a lot fewer stuck in the the W10 dumpster if M$ wasn't forcing it on people in the name of windows 'update'... The cattle who don't know any better just click "OK" on the "upgrade"....those that do know, don't ever see these stupid 'updates'.

[mockingbird]

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Just make sure this doesn't hapen to you:

[shovenose]

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There would be a lot fewer stuck in the the W10 dumpster if M$ wasn't forcing it on people in the name of windows 'update'... The cattle who don't know any better just click "OK" on the "upgrade"....those that do know, don't ever see these stupid 'updates'.

What!? They do not force it upon you! If you want it, you accept it, if you don't, you ignore it.

But fine, I will replace Win10 with Xubuntu 15.04 on my Dell Latitude E4300. Will let you know how it goes.

[Topcat]

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What!? They do not force it upon you! If you want it, you accept it, if you don't, you ignore it.

....and how many 'updates' do they have this hidden in? Its very difficult to uninstall these 'updates' to keep it from eternally nagging you. Have you not been paying attention to the other threads?! We know that you're santa's favorite elf at the M$ christmas party....but the bottom line is they stepped way overboard in personal intrusions & forced "upgrades" this go-round.

[shovenose]

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....and how many 'updates' do they have this hidden in? Its very difficult to uninstall these 'updates' to keep it from eternally nagging you. Have you not been paying attention to the other threads?! We know that you're santa's favorite elf at the M$ christmas party....but the bottom line is they stepped way overboard in personal intrusions & forced "upgrades" this go-round.

[Topcat]

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Thanks. Game, set, and match.

[stj]

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Server 2008 is still holding up well....and no pesky W10 nonsense.

watch out!

KB3075851 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: August 2015 (Replaces: KB3050265 & KB3065987)

the borg have decided that you WILL be assimilated, resistance is (probably) futile!

[SteveNielsen]

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People ask me to put Linux on their screwed up Windows computers sometimes. It's become more often lately. "I'm retired now,"I tell them, "do it yourself."

[Topcat]

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watch out!


the borg have decided that you WILL be assimilated, resistance is (probably) futile!

None of the above are installed, nor do they show up in the optional list. These machines are S2K8 R1 though. I never install optional updates.

[shovenose]

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None of the above are installed, nor do they show up in the optional list. These machines are S2K8 R1 though. I never install optional updates.

You won't get any updates like this because Server 2008 is basically Vista and has no upgrade path.

[Topcat]

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You won't get any updates like this because Server 2008 is basically Vista and has no upgrade path.

R1 and R2 are the same in that regard, both are vista-ish in appearance and core. Vista after SP2 functions very nicely I might add....and given the W10 trainwreck, I've never been so glad that there's no "upgrade path"! W10 is not any kind of an upgrade to anything, especially W7. ...so in desperation, M$ will do what they do best, and try killing things off by lack of support for things such as DX or IE....

[stj]

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You won't get any updates like this because Server 2008 is basically Vista and has no upgrade path.

i suspect it's more about the (cough) "telemetry".