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  • Hondaman
    Badcaps Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 1105
    • USA

    #1

    Age verification

    California and Colorado are planning some vaguely-worded laws regarding "age verification". People who supply OSes, computers, accounts on computers, whatever, are required to make a bit (or maybe just a couple of bytes) available to "application developers" so applications know the age bracket of the computer user. Under age 13, age 13 to 16, age 16 to 18, and over 18. Brazil has already passed such a law, and rumor has it many countries in Europe are already planning this. Here is the outlook here in the USA:



    I hate to admit my age here (59), but 50 or 60 years ago, our American parents warned us that "MAD MAGAZINE" was going to "warp our minds" or "turn us into a negative people" for the rest of our lives. Then 40 to 50 years ago, our parents warned us that "evil Satanic rock music" was going to turn us into drug-consuming zombies who WORSHIPPED SATAN (or, at the very least, cast spells while standing inside a pentagram in rock musician Stevie Nicks' back yard).

    Rignt now, I need to update Linux Mint 18.3 to Linux Mint 22.3. Despite the name, this revision was NOT released in March 2022. It was released in December 2024.

    I know this is not the "political thread", but when will people realize legislators just want our votes? They'll give us "security theater" but really give us more surveillance, and more marketing data for Google Ad Services. At first, we can LIE to the computer when we set up accounts for young family members. Then lawmakers will act like they are SHOCKED that people are lying about their birth date in the drop-down setup menu. So pretty soon we'll need to present an ID to Best Buy to purchase a laptop, or send a photocopy of our driving license to Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. Does that mean we must be 18, with a valid ID, before we are ALLOWED on the internet? Much of the work done on computers and the internet has been done by VERY smart people who just happened to be under the age of 18, you know.

    And there will be data breaches, YOU CAN BET YOUR LIFE ON IT.

    I am starting this thread to monitor Linux compliance, or lack of compliance, with this idiotic regulation. I, personally, will be seeking out distros that DO NOT obey this silliness. Or scripts that can strip it out. Perhaps an RPM (or .deb) package that removes this from the update applet for your particular distribution?

    I believe I already heard Canonical (Ubuntu Linux) WILL be going along with this "think of the children" nanny state requirement.
  • Hondaman
    Badcaps Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 1105
    • USA

    #2
    My apologies. Apparently, links will now appear at the END of the post, not close to the beginning, where I intended it to be, and left space for it.

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    • lti
      Badcaps Legend
      • May 2011
      • 2565
      • United States

      #3
      The Linux distros are only conforming because they don't want to lose that many users or pay the ridiculous fines (if I remember right, it was $7500 per user). I haven't heard of one so far that actually supports it. There was one BSD variant that flagged themselves as "not for use in California," and now I won't be able to use it either.

      I didn't hear how the Colorado bill went (even though I live there), but the California bill passed unanimously (with bipartisan support). Colorado tends to follow California's stupidest legislation.

      I don't remember how many times I said it on this forum (I have said it on other forums), but it really feels like the majority supports the worst option. Almost everyone else will make one angry social media post before sitting down and passively accepting it. The few people left who are willing to stand up for something are such a small minority that they're disregarded as paranoid nuts overreacting. That doesn't just involve politics, either.

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      • stj
        Great Sage 齊天大聖
        • Dec 2009
        • 31709
        • Albion

        #4
        the "laws" are stupid, you dont have to "verify" anybody's age - just ask it.
        california is probably going into the sea soon anyway - if you follow the earthquake data!

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        • CapLeaker
          Leaking Member
          • Dec 2014
          • 8639
          • Canada

          #5
          Originally posted by stj
          the "laws" are stupid, you dont have to "verify" anybody's age - just ask it.
          california is probably going into the sea soon anyway - if you follow the earthquake data!
          Exactly what I am thinking.

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          • Hondaman
            Badcaps Legend
            • Sep 2008
            • 1105
            • USA

            #6
            California is in BIG TROUBLE. New eco-friendly laws are prompting oil refineries to close down, and rural gas stations have closed. Soon, police, fire, airports and US military jets will face fuel shortages that simply CANNOT be overcome (all docks that import "special California eco-fuel" from other countries are already operating at 100% capacity, and docks that belong to closed refineries have stopped unloading overseas oil tankers). Electric companies have NO legal liability from brush fires, and I think California actually FORBIDS them from clearing dead (or living) trees from under high-voltage wires. "Independent contractor" laws about taxation have made it unprofitable for truckers, and they have left / will leave the state. So when grocery shelves are empty because of shoplifting by drug-addicted homeless zombies, the stores will STAY empty and close, just like the restaurants. The homeowner tax benefits of "Proposition 13" have been reduced to practically nothing. Frito-Lay potato chips (and farmers in the central valley) have left or will leave. Beer breweries have left. Silicon valley startups have left, taking HUGE amounts of employee payroll tax revenue with them. Yamaha Motorcycles even moved their headquarters out.

            Will I download a "base" Linux distro, and then a different "Age Verification" meta-package (.deb or .RPM) based on what state/country I live in? Can I use a VPN and pretend I am in a privacy-friendly place and download just the "base distribution"? Will I have to download a "pirate" .deb or .RPM to remove this "age verification" crap?

            (I have used Broadcom wifi chips before, and I do NOT like proprietary blobs or firmware that I strip out of the 95/98/2000/XP wifi driver to make it work with Linux. Proprietary blobs for "age verification" are an ABSOLUTE NO for me.)

            (I've dealt with "pirate" stuff before. Later today, in fact, I will order an "illegal" DVD copy of "Podranki" ["The Orphans", 1977 film, USSR, with English subtitles] because I am honestly curious about life in the other world superpower in that era and there is no legitimate way to see this movie in the USA.)
            Last edited by Hondaman; 03-12-2026, 02:13 PM.

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            • stj
              Great Sage 齊天大聖
              • Dec 2009
              • 31709
              • Albion

              #7
              i wouldnt trust a soviet movie to be any more honest than a hollywood one frankly.
              they make better war films - less "spectacular" if thats the best way to put it,
              but still they are actors and scripts.

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              • lti
                Badcaps Legend
                • May 2011
                • 2565
                • United States

                #8
                Originally posted by stj
                the "laws" are stupid, you dont have to "verify" anybody's age - just ask it.
                That's all it is so far, but what's next?

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                • stj
                  Great Sage 齊天大聖
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 31709
                  • Albion

                  #9
                  who cares?
                  the distro just has to say that it's not licensed for use in comifornia on the download page.
                  you cant geo-block states, even trying to do that with countries is unreliable.

                  your very close to government running for the bunkers or hills right now anyway - so is europe.

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                  • Topcat
                    The Boss Stooge
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 16994
                    • United States
                    • Badcaps.net Founder

                    #10
                    The looney right got laws passed in MO that all RTA sites age verify their users....yes, they want you to upload a scan of your ID card.... WTF!! Pornhub (and all it's underling sites) in retaliation simply ceased all its services to anyone with an IP in MO. I've had a lot of people complain about this to me and how to get around it. I just tell them VPN....look it up. I refuse to set it up for them....but that's what happens with political wingnuts these days.

                    I guess the internet isn't the wild wild west that it used to be.
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                    • ChaosLegionnaire
                      HC Overclocker
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 3277
                      • Singapore

                      #11
                      yikes! i think that pretty much falls into the category of gov censorship. the gov telling u what u can or cannot watch. i believe that runs afoul of the first amendment, so i think it wont be long before scotus throws its hat into the ring and gets involved with this sorry piece of legislation and has it tossed out for being unconstitutional against the first amendment. just wait...

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                      • Gary_Gasoline
                        Member
                        • Apr 2026
                        • 26
                        • US and A

                        #12
                        How does the government (California, whoever) propose to enforce this supposed new "law"? What ties an Operating System to a state? If we assume Windows' "state" is California, than what state is Linux's? Relative to the rest of the planet, California is an inflamed pimple with a curly pubic hair growing out of it. How does California propose to enforce their stupid little law on Australia, or Berlin? I see a lot people reacting to this Facebook link-bait, yet not one intelligent comment anywhere on the internet about the enforceability of the proposed law. I think the J*** just make-up stuff to scare people with, and then they do an assessment on which elements of the subjugated population are sentient enough to perceive the "threat" clearly, and which elements are too stupid to find their a** with both hands, who obey it. They then reward the re****** and punish the sentient. Rinse, repeat until Communism. TA-DA!!!!

                        Plus Dead Internet, "AI" (J**-controlled software), 'bots (J**-controlled software) Social Media comment sections (J**-controlled software) and also the J**-controlled software. Meaning Windows and now apparently Linux.

                        And the only prohibited speech is that which is not controlled by J***. Also LOL at the "politicians only want your vote" comment we saw what the J*** are willing to do in an election in order to accomplish continued funding for the J**-controlled state of Ukraine and the ethnostate of Israel's expansion into the middle east, and the low, low price of genocide and a school full of young girls.

                        Let's import some more Somalians. THAT will fix EVERYTHING.

                        I think the real reason they want this age-range indicator is because they intend to "universalize" pornography, no matter what the local culture has to say about it. As long as the bit says you are 18+, you can watch all the porn you want, no matter what your 3rd world, authoritarian zealot government has to say about it, like for example Iran, or even Houston.

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