intel fucking it's customers again - just like the pentium floating-point incident (Atom clock pin, the ICH resistors etc.)

[stj]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-cpu-instability-crashing-bug-includes-65w-and-higher-skus-intel-says-damage-is-irreversible-no-planned-recall

[sam_sam_sam]

How do you know if you have an issue with your computer and any issues like what it is showed in this video

[stj]

well it's a specific family of processors - i think they end in "K" and they just slowly die.
i'v seen more stuff about it since - it's really bad.
some think it's a contamination issue leading to the die oxidising,
others think they intentionally over clocked and over-volted the cores to keep up with AMD and it backfired.

btw, glad i just got a RYZEN9

[lti]

I've heard that lower-power CPUs are also affected (even the "35W TDP" parts ending in T - note that they temporarily run at higher clocks and higher power).

I've already made posts about 12th-gen parts feeling a little off (primarily random 1-2 second freezes - I initially thought it was just my work laptop, but I've found other computers with the same weird quirk). Even then, I thought that if I suddenly needed a new computer, I would get a Ryzen. Today, I'm glad that my newest computer is from 2020.

[sam_sam_sam]

Do I have anything to worry about if I have an ADM processor that is in my newest game computer

[piernov]

This is specifically targeting Intel 13th and 14th generation CPUs. Other CPUs can of course fail or misbehave, but this would be a different topic.
Failure of these newer Intel generations seem to mostly be related to the fact that they're driven too hard, very high core frequency and very high core voltage required to reach these frequencies. Not too surprising as the power consumption has been skyrocketing on Intel CPUs these past few years, it's like the CPUs come out of Intel's factory with an insane overclock. Pentium 4 era but actually worse…

To be on the safe side until Intel "finds" a solution (they announced a microcode update but it's not out yet and we don't know if it's really gonna fix the problem), just lower the clock and the voltage. At least -100 mV should be good , probably -150 mV to be safe, you'll most likely not hit the 6 GHz boost but personally I think it's better to lose 10 or 15 % performance than cook the CPU in less than a year

[Topcat]

First I've heard of this........

[CapLeaker]

I've just took out my old Pentium 4 server running Centos, which I built in 2007 out of used parts from 2004-2005. Still 100% original configuration. I was threatening to retiring it for 4 years now and never did because of time. Fast forward to this year and the HDD failed and the server didn't boot correctly 4 weeks ago. Off I went and replaced the whole thing with a Raspberry Pi 5, Continuing on where the old Centos 3!!! left off. Basically it ran 24/7/365 from mid 2007 to mid 2024. That is a whopping 17 years of service whilst me doing nothing for it besides rebooting it once a year. Sometimes 3 years. I should hook up the HDD and see if it can count the head flying hours of this Seagate drive. These would be INSANE high.
So much to an old stinkin Pentium 4! I probably could replace that HDD and just run it for a few years more.

[stj]

it would be interesting to take one of those old 100w+ 32bit cpu's and adapting a 240mm AIO watercooler to it

[redwire]

First I've heard of this........

It was gaming studios that first flushed it out:
"Unreal Engine supervisor Dylan Browne revealed that machines with Intel Core i9-13900K and Core i9-14900K processors at Epic Games have experienced failure rates exceeding 50% over the past year."
https://www.alltechnerd.com/due-to-i...l-to-amd-cpus/

it would be interesting to take one of those old 100w+ 32bit cpu's and adapting a 240mm AIO watercooler to it

Not sure - Intel changed the die attach from solder to glue way back. It has higher thermal resistance. People delid or decap them to get better heat transfer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXs0I5kuoX4

[stj]

i mean using the AIO to avoid a huge cooler & fan hanging onto the board and potentially flexing it.

i upgraded one of my Ryzen systems from a heatsink to an AIO for this reason, it had a fucking huge cooler on it with 120mm fans and it was only supported by the pcb itself!!

[ChaosLegionnaire]

sad to see intel making shoddy crap that doesnt last long like the chinese!

[stj]

intel is based in israel - what did you expect?

[Topcat]

intel is based in israel - what did you expect?

No they're not. Founded in the US and their corporate offices are in Santa Clara, CA. There's offices there like many other places around the globe....

Intel Israel


Intel has been operating in the State of Israel since Dov Frohman founded the Israeli branch of the company in 1974 in a small office in Haifa. Intel Israel currently has development centers in Haifa, Jerusalem and Petah Tikva, and has a manufacturing plant in the Kiryat Gat industrial park that develops and manufactures microprocessors and communications products. Intel employed about 10,000 employees in Israel in 2013. Maxine Fesberg has been the CEO of Intel Israel since 2007 and the Vice President of Intel Global. In December 2016, Fesberg announced her resignation, her position of chief executive officer (CEO) has been filled by Yaniv Gerti since January 2017.

In June 2024, the company announced that it was stopping development on a Kiryat Gat-based factory in Israel. The site was expected to cost $25 billion, with $3.2 billion provided by the Israeli government in the form of a grant.^[244]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel

[stj]

intel moved it's R&D to israel and most manufacturing to Ireland.
AMD is now more "American" than intel.

[piernov]

Sure…

As for what the reality is:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...rporation.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...acturing_sites
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...bal-sites.html

I'm not gonna argue on which country is better to produce stuff in, as long as it's made with quality and as "respectfully" as possible for the people and the environment, but just as a reminder the high-performance ICs from AMD (CPU, GPU, FPGA) are made by TSMC nowadays and the vast majority of their fabs are located in Taiwan. AMD probably does most of its R&D in the USA but they recently opened a large center in India and are looking to do the same in Taiwan, and they already have many offices around the world.

Not like you'd listen but just to clear up the misinformation for other people coming here for actual technical information, you know what this forum was made for.

[ChaosLegionnaire]

some more information about this issue.

first intel blamed mobo makers for the issues. https://www.techpowerup.com/321959/i...akers-to-blame

then they discovered it was a faulty microcode algorithm with the boost voltage. https://www.techpowerup.com/323616/i...code-algorithm

they finally released the fixed microcode and made an official statement about it. https://www.techpowerup.com/324823/i...s-fix-out-soon

then they say they wont do a product recall. https://www.techpowerup.com/324963/i...-gen-cpus?cp=2

so just rma your cpu if its fried and degraded from intel's "stock overclocking and overvolting". the way this whole debacle is phrased makes it sound like intel are complete nubs when it comes to overclocking!! roflmao! proper overclocking isnt supposed to fry or degrade your cpu and make it unstable anyway!!

so will i still buy an intel stock overclocked cpu? probably

will i use intel's stock overclocked frequencies and voltages? hell no!! intel are complete overclocking nubs and they shouldnt be telling me what i can or cannot do with my cpu!

will i still overclock and overvolt my cpu manually? hell yes!!

[stj]

intel has fresh problems now,
the cpu root0 key and others have been hacked.
so hackers can compromise your microcode or just treat the cpu like their bitch if it can VM in debug mode!

also they are in a financial hole and laying off staff left&right.
they are even talking about splitting the company so if the cpu side goes down they can still hold onto the factories to make dies for other companies!