Windows XP End of Life Approaching

[brethin]

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Makes since for them to try and push Windows 8 on users with the "XP Support is ending soon commercials but their real problem is still the industrial / business use of XP just ending support isn't going to do anything to make those users upgrade.

[goontron]

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I've been working on that since XP was released. There's not a person I've introduced to Ubuntu who has ever looked back. Thank you Microsoft for continuing to be the number one promoter of Linux on the desktop.

too true!
im sitting back in my chair in front of my linux box and laughing while printing some of these comments on my HP laserjet2100 that doesn't have windows drivers beyond 2k and also printing the occasional bit off the web from my apple imagewriter just for the hell of it.
M$

[kaboom]

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Fify:

"Become a more devoted microsloth cult member, hell bent on killing Windows XP"

No skydrive for XP? You mean there's less chance of my data being ripped off if I stay with XP? Awww.. whatta shame- I'm cryin a river here.

The comments are just epic , don't miss them!

Oh, man. They're priceless! They've still got this stunted, regressive idea that m$$$$ "is their friend" and is pushing "upgrades" for "their benefit." They should only roll in the filth they want so much...

As far as the "headline" of "XP dying," it is a nonheadline. It's only widespread to the extent it is because fuck-you-$oft has a perverted obsession with "tiles," DRM (aka, longhorn), and blocking competition, exactly as they did in the awful win98-and-internet-explorer-is-required days.

[domas]

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well, let me say it like that, you can see a tendency there ) did not read the whole thing but i had enough fun

[TELVM]

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Boy did I ROFL with this :

"Help your friends and family get off Windows XP"

The comments are just epic , don't miss them!

[SpectrHz]

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I've still got xp running on an old hp desktop with my seldom accessed files on it in few old drives, probably going to leave it until it refuses to boot or blows out some caps

[c_hegge]

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Back to the original topic, Today marks the end of an era for me. I've finally retired my parents PC, the last one in this house which ran XP, other than my seldom-used Thinkpad T61 laptop. They got my old s1156 system (with a few differences) with Windows 7.

Farewell XP, it was sure nice knowing you.

[TELVM]

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Yeah, typical Wintel:

... I agree, it IS a bug. If Microsoft shipped a fully-PAE-enabled 32-bit Windows kernel, Intel would have to support it! Just because Microsoft deliberately ignores, for no good reason, a feature that Intel built into their CPUs is no excuse for Intel to not support it. I have several devices that are not 64-bit compatible, but NONE of them ever gave me any problem whatsoever when I enabled PAE access to higher RAM , until I switched to an HD Graphics-enabled CPU.

... my GNU / Linux install runs perfectly with the Intel driver using a 32-bit PAE kernel.

Hence we arrive at two hypotheses

1-It is not a bug but a deliberate restriction on request or not to create friction with the Microsoft.

2-It is a bug and Intel just think that consumers have to adapt to other options.

... ... we are talking about millions of consumers who for various reasons (all valid) that need to use the 32 bit version of Vista/7/8 / with maximum RAM available by hardware.

What we have is a restriction of Microsoft O. S., for what reason it is, and we've proved it can be bypassed ...

Dear Intel, please be logic with your drivers developement.

You have the PAE support on your linux and windows XP drivers, why don't support that whit the Seven drivers ?

... I do not understand why Intel just wants to create problems for their customers. They should fix this driver that is not compatible with Win 7 and Win 8 32 bit. Better to get rid of customers than of software bugs - a strange concept.

Intel HD Graphics not compatible with RAM unlimited Windows 7

[ddscentral]

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I have tried one of these x86 RAM hacks myself a few years ago, and it worked fine.
Too bad some drivers don't work very well with such setup.

[TELVM]

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are those hacked somehow?

Yep, the kernel ntkrnlpa.exe needs a retouch to remove the RAM limiter. The proceeding for Vista/Se7en 32bit is explained in the link above and in more detail here and here (original in german).

There are also several downloadable 'patches' around the web that supposedly do it automatically (which I've never used).


Some degree of success can also be achieved on XP SP3 32bit.

[ratdude747]

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...

I meant in the sense of usable RAM. It still shows 8GB, but (PAE manually enabled?) it says "8.0GB (3.25GB usable)." So there still is a "limit", just an artificial one. IIRC it was put there for the sake of legacy applcations that wouldn't like having more than 4GB of ram...

I like my solution better as IMHO it's a better use of the 8GB. All of my paging file goes there... and after that limit is used up, I have another 800MB remaining to use as self-cleaning temp area. Yes, it's unconventional... but for x32, I think it's a good setup.

[domas]

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are those hacked somehow?

[TELVM]

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... but w7 has the limit for x32 too..

[ratdude747]

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resume tangent
Yea, I have one left, I use it for experiments, just like this. I have another 4gb of ram, thanks for the idea!!
/resuming tangent

epic tangent assiest

Yeah, I wanted the W7 style aero, but w7 has the limit for x32 too... I PAE RAMdisked (via the gavotte tool and a registry mod) it to access the upper 4.8GB. I'll say, for x32, it kicks ass (but I maxed it out in nearly every way possible). Even with a newer system in use, I still run it for odd stuff and a spare.

/epic tangent assist

[TELVM]

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oh ok. wait! M$ limits the amount of ram you can have?!?

From XP SP2 onwards (XP SP1 was not limited) all 32bit client Windows are artificially capped to ~3.25GB max usable RAM, 'courtesy' of some code in the kernel ntkrlnpa.exe .

Interesting reading on the subject

... And no, I can't max it out. Don't know what HP did in their infinite wisdom, but if I do max out the RAM to (a whopping) 512 MB, then I must loose ACPI capability .

That's a pity, I'd suggest swapping hardware to something that allows at least 1GB of RAM. Then create a small ramdisk (125~250MB) and install portable Firefox/PaleMoon entirely in the ramdisk. This provides a lightning quick browsing experience (RAM is an order of magnitude faster than any SSD/HDD drive).

[Topcat]

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tangent

you stilll run one of those too?

mine has 8gb /trumped /tangent

resume tangent
Yea, I have one left, I use it for experiments, just like this. I have another 4gb of ram, thanks for the idea!!
/resuming tangent

[ratdude747]

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tangent
I tried server 2008 on my x5dal xeon system today (doesn't support 64). It has 4GB of ram in it, S2K8 sees it all, whereas XP only saw 3....
/tangent

tangent

you stilll run one of those too?

mine has 8gb /trumped /tangent

[Topcat]

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good idea, whats the difference besides XP has a 10 user limit.

Basically nothing. Same code base, it just of course has server applications on it, such as IIS, domain controlling/AD, etc..... It is very tweakable for a desktop....also if you're experimenting with web design, its nice having IIS/web server @ localhost!!

[Topcat]

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Some 2003 x32 versions allow 8GB of RAM...

tangent
I tried server 2008 on my x5dal xeon system today (doesn't support 64). It has 4GB of ram in it, S2K8 sees it all, whereas XP only saw 3....
/tangent

[goontron]

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Some 2003 x32 versions allow 8GB of RAM...

oh ok. wait! M$ limits the amount of ram you can have?!?