What are the computer components you liked best??? Feel free to mention both "current" and "all time" favourites.
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3ware is a legit brand.
Supermicro and Tyan rock...
Delta makes good stuff
Nidec and NMB make legit fans
Sony makes good opticals... And contrary to the claims of others, I have had good luck with lite-on units (only ever had one of many die).
Microsoft makes good keyboard and mice.
Apple used to make the best keyboards in terms of key feel. I also hear that cherry makes exellent keyboards.
ATI makes great graphics stuff...
Sony AND NEC make exellent Monitors, both LCD and CRT. Dell also seems to produce good LCD monitors (after fixing any transformer soldering, transistor, or cap issues).
Lian Li makes tthe best cases money can buy, as does supermicro (for servers and workstations).
For prebuilt computers, IBM made the best until they sold out to lenovo, which made them suck.
Laptop wise, I Like Dell Latitudes, D series and later. They are both easy to do work on and are solidly built... It's hard to beat magnesium lids and bases. I have heard good things about IBM/Lenovo but IMHO they are way too picky about RAM and wireless cards.
Panasonic IMHO made the best floppy drives... very solidly built. The Mitsumi floppy/card reader combo driver were nice as well.
WD makes good HDDs... as did Seagate on certain models.sigpic
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Motherboards: My favourite was DFI Lanparty, but now Gigabyte since DFI no longer makes them and only makes industrial boards. Supermicro are not available here in Australia.
PSUs: I like anything with Japanese caps, but the best are the overbuilt Deltas, like the DPS-750CB I own
RAM: Anything but corsair
HDDs: None. They're all junk
Caps: Panny for electrolytics, Sanyo OS-Con for polies
Fans: Noctua for Noise/airflow ratio, SanAce for reliability
Laptops: Lenovo thinkpads. Their Idea____ stuff is junk. Toshiba are a close second.
Networking gear: Linksys/Cisco.I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards
Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium
Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro
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gigabyte, msi. yes asus (I have had very few problems with them, but they did have tons of issues a few years back)
antec (new antec psus, not old ones)
gskill ram
very few problems with WD HDD'sCap Datasheet Depot: http://www.paullinebarger.net/DS/
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HDDs: None. They're all junk
On average, how long do new HDDs last, in your experience???
But what about old hard drives???
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Originally posted by Uranium-235 View Postgigabyte, msi. yes asus (I have had very few problems with them, but they did have tons of issues a few years back)
antec (new antec psus, not old ones)
gskill ram
very few problems with WD HDD'ssigpic
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Motherboards: Say what you will about Intel, but I always found their motherboards extremely well made and extremely stable, even if you couldn't overclock them (reliability takes priority atop everything to me in hardware). At least they all used Japanese capacitors. I know some Intel motherboards succumbed victim to some defective series of Japanese capacitors, but I've always had very good experience with their chipsets. I hold those sentiments for the same reason why I think Dell were a very good company in their earlier days. You may not be able to know how they work thermally and you may have very limited upgrade options but at least they had quality hardware if you put aside the HN/HM incident.
CPUs: I guess there's not much to dispute here. I've never had a "bad" experience with CPUs, in earnest. I believe they're tough components. Arguably one of the toughest in a whole setup, period. I do not often hear of CPU failure that one does not try hard to incur. And for its time, the AMD Athlon 64 series of CPUs were very good, especially for gaming, and I think they were a great footing to go off of when it came to the end of single cores. It wasn't until Intel's Core 2 that AMD was finally usurped. But this comes from someone who liked the Pentium III and 4s (up to Northwood; I never used a Prescott or anything like).
RAM: Anything but Rambus. No, I don't hate RDRAM - on the contrary, I used RDRAM for quite a while in my older systems. My issue with Rambus is as follows - heat. They run incredibly hot by comparison to SDRAM and would ideally have active cooling. That you had to install them in pairs if you didn't have a CRIMM or two sucked equally. And worst of all, how expensive they were. While PC1066 RDRAM was an expedient of memory for its time, RDRAM's life was too short and too inconveniencing to last. I know RDRAM hasn't been used in a while, but I just thought I'd throw that out there.
HDD: On the contrary, I don't think all HDDs are junk. It's not hard to forget that they are magnetic media and that they are inherently fragile devices. When you learn how they work, it begins to become amazing that they work at all for as long as they do. Clearly they're the most sensitive and fragile of all system components. But because of that, they matter in such an exigent manner. Hard drives, after all, store the data by which your system is powered. No matter what anyone says, the only dependable storage medium is a good backup. And when you find out that SSDs aren't bistable, it makes HDDs look like a more attractive option, at least to me. Then again, PRT (perpendicular recording technology as in all modern HDDs) doesn't exactly make the charges on platters stable either. But anyway, only the choice of PSU is a greater threat in causing system failure because a shoddy PSU potentially means the end of everything in your rig. Also, my favorite HDD would have to be a Seagate Barracuda ATA IV or a 7200.7/7200.8/7200.9 series drive whether SATA or PATA. You simply could not one up the kind of silence, speed, and durability all those drives, so long as they were well treated, offered. I have a strong feeling we'll never have that kind of assurance in storage mediums again. Enterprise drives might have been better from Seagate, but at least the listed drives were affordable! And I honestly don't know how to gauge the reliability of any drive today because they're all PRT and it has been shown over time that PRT drives simply won't last, at least for the consumer.
PSU: Antec are good aside from their capacitors. The same goes for Delta. I would also altercate the same of FSP, along with Seasonic, Newton Power, Acbel, Enhance Electronics, Corsair, etc. Some lower tier PSUs like Hipro and Enlight weren't half bad either, at least in my experience. To me, the only serious junk are no-name brands, and Huntkey, Deer, Bestec, stuff like that.
Graphics cards: I loved nVidia up until the 'substrate' fiasco that took upon the GeForce 6 series and most series afterwards. It wasn't hard to discern how dishonest a company they were thereafter. But I feel that once ATI came around with the R300 that they haven't seriously been dethroned since. AMD/ATI have always made nice products to me in terms of graphics cards, no matter what you think of their drivers. They paved the way to DirectX 9/Shader Model 2.0+ first, which I still think was the most significant leap in rendering technology aside from 3DFX Voodoo/Glide.
Sound cards: Not much to say here. I'm somewhat distraught by how cheap the capacitors on sound cards are, though I like all Creative Sound Blaster sound cards. I do honestly feel that onboard audio works fine either way.
Capacitors: I find it hard to surmount Nichicon and Chemicon as far as their good series go, along with OSCON and what have you, and of course, Rubycon. Other capacitor brands (with exception to historically and consistently trash ones) aren't garbage but using Taiwanese aluminum foil does not guarantee 'purity' and 'stability' in the long term with regard to electrolyte (I honestly don't have much experience with capacitors that aren't lytic).
Network equipment: NETGEAR is also good, in my experience.
Fans: NMB are indeed fantastic. I've had good experiences with Delta as well, and Nidec, and even AVC, though they could be better. I think ball bearing fans will usually last a while, though I've read that they do not handle shock resistance as well as sleeve bearing fans do, which might expound upon why sleeve bearing fans are so commonplace...
Optical drives: Pioneer is good. I like NEC also. Same goes for Sony and I would also say the same of Lite-on. Only drives I've been dismayed by are Matshita, Samsung, and some noname brands that escape my recollection at the moment.
Laptops: I think Dell make good laptops. Flexible? Maybe not flexible, but at least you can be somewhat assured that a Dell laptop won't become trash sooner than late. And Toshiba's long standing problem with cheap capacitors and chips around the CPU err me away from them.
Screens: I'll always take a CRT over an LCD, TFT, or whatever. Tubes will always outlast flat screens, plasmas, 3D TVs, or whatever, and at least they don't look atrociously blurry at resolutions below their native, nor do they seem to become more 'hollow' and 'darkened' in brightness and coloration as you move away from them. CRTs will always look sharper to me, no matter how vivid a LCD or LED looks. You can say what you want about 'mercury' in CRTs and 'radiation' but frankly I don't give a hoot if longevity is sacrificed. Not like lead free solder helps that much either. RoHS can stuff it, I want quality components, not components that are only good for making money.
Speakers: Altec lansing have always been amazing to me. I've had good experiences with Creative as well, along with Harmon Kardon. I honestly haven't had a dreck experience with speakers, but this stems from someone who's just fine with a 2.1 setup, so.... earphones and headphones are much cheaper, but I like Samsung and Sony, as far as they go.
Mouses: Not much to say here - as long as it's optical and won't break down anytime soon, I'm fine with it. I like Logitech and Microsoft.
Keyboard: Same as above. I also like Dell keyboards.
EDIT: I think you mean Toshiba is the only other company hard drive wise, but to my knowledge, they make portable hard drives only.Last edited by Wester547; 05-08-2012, 11:17 PM.
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MB... Mostly Asus.
Made systems for brother and sister with Asus, they still work years later.
Had Asrock in the past, they didn't fail me, simply kept upgrading to better equipped boards and settled on Asus.
Would have no problems going for Asrock or Gigabyte boards of today (though mid-high end ones).
CPU: Both AMD and Intel are good cpus. Had Duron, had Barton, had Intel D805, now on Q6600. Future CPU would probably be Intel due to performance/value, not a fan.
Video: AMD/ATI. Had S3, nVidia, then got a ATI and was stunned of the difference in 2D quality back then (nvidia vanta or something versus radeon 9200). I don't even remember what I had before my current Radeon 4850 but it was AMD.
PSU:
Had Sirtec (HIGH POWER in US) when I was a student, didn't fail me, have no problems recommending them for people with very low budgets. Currently have a Seasonic X-650, love it.
NIC: Intel... used a lot of 3com 100 mbit cards in the past, liked them.
Optical drives... my future systems probably won't have any, they're going the way of floppy discs imho.
Had a Samsung CD-RW, it died. It was number 1 in a top made by a computer magazine I used to buy... obviously they didn't test the long term reliability as it started having problems in about 8 months. Oh and my best friend at school got the same model based on the same magazine recommendation and it died within a year.
Had a Lite-ON 24x CD-RW... I think it's in my sister's computer, probably 5-7 years old by now. Good drives.
Had a LG ide DVD-RW, it worked great, sold it because I wanted a black model for my case, and sata for the new motherboard I was planning to buy. The new on is still LG, works great.
Not sure I'd recommend LG for optical drives, seems quality goes down, still better than what's available here. IMHO Sony/Optiarc is crap. Asus had some good drives a while ago, now I don't know.
I guess that happens with everything when they're dying (people were saying Mitsumi floppy discs were the bomb but in the last years they just rebranded shitty units made by others).
Monitors.. with all the crap capacitors, I'd still get Samsung. Have 2 24" on my desk and I'm happy with them. LG as far as I see are good, but when I did the research to buy monitors I often say backlight bleeding issues with LG.
If I was made of money, I'd get Eizo - bought an Eizo 17" CRT when I was a student, still works OK.
Hard drives... not biased. Well, i stick with Seagate and WD... had Maxtor (only one of several developed bad sectors), have WD and Seagate now, bought WD and Seagate for others, maybe I was lucky but I never had one die on me.
Not like you have a choice nowadays... Samsung no longer makes old style drives, you're left with WD, Seagate and another company that I forget now (but I think it's in the process of being bought by WD)
Memory: I have Corsair... doesn't really matters who makes it. They all use chips made by other companies and they all have long warranty times (at least in EU).
Had Kingmax... sounds like one of those clone companies like Panasoanic, but they actually were making their own memory chips and everything. Not sure now... for people who don't overclock these were OK.
Had Samsung, had Nanya, had Kingston, now I have Crucial DDR1 in an old system... never had ram fail on me.
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Originally posted by ratdude747 View PostI thought Gskill was cheap junk... Then again, I'm the guy pushing Patriot RAM in my Latitude D630 (I'm cheap, I'll admit it).Cap Datasheet Depot: http://www.paullinebarger.net/DS/
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I can't say much about which I like the best in terms of personal use, I haven't had many components that have failed on me on my own computers in 14 years of use.
I still have the components from my first computer and they still work fine.
I can only talk about what I can get in the dumpster and the lots of components I buy :
CPUs : never seen one fail, I even have a Pentium III 1000 with a badly scratched core, and it works
Mobos : MSI is the worst, maybe it's because they're the most common though. Actually the only motherboard I have bought that died is a MSI from an IBM NetVista (I won't miss it, no AGP and intel i810e :/) : badcaps, being so bad they ended killing a mosfet which burned the PCB. I have found quite a bit MSI with the same problem.
AsRock makes very good and reliable cheap motherboards, I bought a K7S8X in 2003 and a K7S41GX in 2005 and they in perfect working condition.
I have a LOT of dead Asus motherboards...but as many good working ones...
Gigabyte is known to be very good, I haven't found a dead one yet.
PSUs : Lite On, Astec, both look very tough inside. I won't talk about the Heden/Advance crap, even though I never had a problem with one. There are good Fortron PSUs, but I've had a few very very bad ones.
Graphics cards : I've always bought ATi (actually only two...lol). I have nearly 250 graphics cards, and only a very few dead ATi graphics cards.
I never really liked nVidia since the FX series. They always seem to be more expensive for the same or less performance.
Hard drives : never had one fail, even in the dumpster I've found a very few dead ones. Some had a bit of bad sectors but not much.
Memory : apart from stick made from unknown brands with unknown chips, they're pretty reliable
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Originally posted by Shocker View PostOkay, so I remember you already tried enterprise drives, which didn't help. Are you going to consider only selling (A) old HDDs and (B) SLC SSDs???
On average, how long do new HDDs last, in your experience???
But what about old hard drives???
About 1-2 years seems to be the average life for a new HDD.
For older drives, I liked both Seagte and WD. I have never been a fan of Samsung or Hitachi.I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards
Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium
Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro
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From my list of favourite brands:
Lithium-ion battery - Sanyo (now owned by Panasonic)
HDD - Seagate
Motherboard - Gigabyte
Optical drive - Pioneer
LCD panel - Samsung
UPS - APC
Wireless card (chipset) - Intel or Atheros
SCSI card (if I ever use it!) - Adaptec
Memory - SamsungMy first choice in quality Japanese electrolytics is Nippon Chemi-Con, which has been in business since 1931... the quality of electronics is dependent on the quality of the electrolytics.
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Originally posted by c_hegge View PostUnfortunately, old HDDs simply don't come in high enough capacities for new PCs, and SSDs are still too small and too expensive, so for now, I'm stuck using junk HDDs. I must confess, though that I did try a few WD Caviar black HDDs. They actually looked alright. They were even very 'chattery' like old HDDs, so I'd trust them more than average desktop HDDs.
About 1-2 years seems to be the average life for a new HDD.
For older drives, I liked both Seagte and WD. I have never been a fan of Samsung or Hitachi.My Computer.
AMD APU A4-3300 2.5ghz 1mb cache
Motherboard GigaByte GA-A75M-S2V
Kingston HyperX Blue DDR3 8GB (2x4GB)
SB Audigy 2 ZS [B800] Sound Card
500GB WD Caviar® Blue™
1 Terabyte WD Caviar® Black™
2 Terabyte WD Caviar® Black™
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CPUs: I currently am a fan of both AMD's Phenom II series and Intel's Core i5/i7 series processors... not too big of a fan on the latest AMD FX processors
Motherboards: I swear by ASUS, GIGABYTE, and MSI; motherboards like ECS and ASRock are junk
Graphics cards: Usually I use ATI/AMD Radeon based graphics cards, but will use NVIDIA-based cards if performance is good and the price is right
Sound cards: Integrated audio from motherboard is good enough for me
RAM: G.SKILL's a good one... but I also like Kingston, Corsair, and ADATA
HDD: Doesn't matter honestly, all brands of hard drives do have failures
Optical drives: Brand doesn't matter for me; just has to be SATA and either DVD±RW or BD-R
PSU: I swear by Antec on these (the current models), preferably the ones they have with all Japanese capacitors
Case: Usually I use either Antec or Cooler Master, but anything well-built and priced right will do
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit for current PCs, Windows XP Professional 32-bit for older PCsLast edited by Newbie2; 05-11-2012, 09:07 AM.My gaming PC:
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition 3.3GHz Six-Core CPU (Socket AM3)
ASUS M4A77TD AMD 770 AM3 Motherboard
PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCI-Express x16 3.0 Graphics Card
G.SKILL Value Series 16GB DDR3-1333 RAM (4x4GB dual channel)
TOSHIBA DT01ACA200 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD (x2)
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX 2TB 3.5" SATA HDD
ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channel PCI sound card
Antec HCG-750M 750W ATX12V v2.32 80 PLUS BRONZE Power Supply
Antec Three Hundred Mid-Tower Case
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
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CPU's: Intel. I have nothing newer then a Pentium D 830 (desktop) or C2D T2500 (laptop)
RAM's: G.Skill, GeIL, ADATA, Kingston, Patriot, Mushkin
HDD's: Western Digital (except Caviar Green), Seagate (been OK since 7200.12), Maxtor (I have great luck with them, they're usually crap to other people), Hitachi (not IBM)
PSU's: AcBel, Delta, Newton, NMB, FSP/Sparkle, Topower/Zumax, Enermax, Sea Sonic/Corsair, ATNG (my ATNG-built Rosewill is good quality)
DVD: Don't matter, as long as it works, usually LG or Samsung
Card readers: Usually Nippon Labs or Rosewill
Cooling fans: Don't matter as long as it's quiet and it works
Laptops: IBM/Lenovo T-series, my main lappy is a T60 w/ finger print reader.
Toshiba and the older Dell Inspiron/Latitudes are next in line. And don't forget the Panasonic ToughBooks
Capacitors: Rubycon, Matsushita, Nichicon, NCC/UCC, Sanyo
Videocards: AMD/ATi for budget, Nvidia for higher-up.
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HDD - Samsung
Monitor - Sony and Dell
Optical Drive - 1st choice Yamaha, 2nd choice the "old" Plextor series, the ones THEY manufactured.
RAM - Brand does not matter, long as the chips are ProMOS or Hynix.
Motherboards: Asus
Laptops: Dell
By no means is this list exclusive, but in my years in IT, these have been the brands that lasted, regardless of usage or abuse.
Worst:
Printers: HP (Dishonest practices)
LCD Monitors: NEC (Burn-in way too fast)
HDD: IBM (Deskstar, ultrastart, Travelstar, they all suck, premature bearing failure. The same goes for the older WD Caviar drives.)
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Ohh jeez, where would I even begin.....
Motherboards....
Good ones: Supermicro, Gigabyte, Tyan, Supermicro, MSI, and did I mention Supermicro?
Bad ones: Asus, Asus, Intel desktop boards (server boards are excluded from this), Asus
Video Cards....
Not really much choice, its ATI or nVidia....pick your poison...
CPU's, I like them both.....they each have their strong points and weak points.
Memory....
Good: Micron/crucial, Corsair, Kingston
Bad: Hynix....atleast that's what I've seen the most of that was bad
Controllers:
Good: LSI/3ware hardware RAID's cant be beat!!! Adaptec is a very close second.....
Bad: any softRAID setup, especially any nVidia softRAID....useless!
HDD's....
Good: WD Blacks/RE's & Raptors, Fujitsu (SCSI)
Bad: anything not listed in the 'good' line.
Monitors...
Good: Dell (I LOVE my 2709W), Older Samsung's, Acer (yea, I've had very good luck with them, pending recapping of course), Sony FD CRT's (yes, even today these look amazing)
Bad: All the knockoff brands you've never heard of that barely live through their 1yr warranty
Laptops....
Good: Dell precision line (high end), Acer Aspire (great on a budget), and Sony
Bad: HP (had horrible luck with them), Toshiba. I omit Lenovo from either list, as I've had no hands-on experience with a Lenovo notebook.
PSU's....
Good: Antec, Ultra, Seasonic, Delta, and Zippy (IT grade PSU)
Bad: Everything else....IE, Deer, Powmax, etc...
Cases....
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Here's my list of bad ones (I've already listed my good ones):
Motherboards: ECS and ASUS
PSUs: Anything with bad caps.
RAM: Corsair
HDDs: All of them
Caps: Rulycon and GSC/Sacon worst, closely followed by Fuhjyyu and Teapo
Fans: Ruilian Science, ADDA, ald all the no-name brands
Laptops: Lenovo Idea___, Compaq, Acer/Gateway/Fleamachines
Networking gear: NetgearI love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards
Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium
Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro
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Originally posted by c_hegge View PostHere's my list of bad ones (I've already listed my good ones):
HDDs: All of them
I've had nearly every brand (conner, quantum, seagate, maxtor, fujitsu, IBM, hitachi, WD), some were good, some had a bad model and nearly all of them had at least one drive failure for me, or got really really noisy.
But all 4 PCs I currently have are full of samsung (about 3 per PC), and not a single failure.
Edit: I know the conner-seagate, quantum-maxtor, IBM-hitachi links, just saying I owned the earlier and the newer versions. Now seagate got samsung and WD got hitachi, it's back to only choices of seagate or WD and it sucks, the samsungs were really good, I've got F1s, F2 and F3s, and all have been better than any previous brand I have ever used; fast and quiet and stayed quiet over the years.Last edited by paul_h; 05-14-2012, 07:42 AM.
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