whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

[acstech]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

Personal insults? Really? Come on.

I've seen good and bad computers with processors from both manufacturers. Neither is the holy grail of stability. A lot of it has to do with the board it's installed on.

Now if you've got political or religious reasons to prefer one over the other, that's ok too. But based on purely technical merit, they've both come out with some mighty fine products. I'm glad they're both around. They keep each other in line price wise and innovating.

Back to the original topic. I'd take the 3.4GHz CPU with 2MB cache and overclock it to 3.8.

[Phaihn]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

Personal insults? Really? Come on.

I've seen good and bad computers with processors from both manufacturers. Neither is the holy grail of stability. A lot of it has to do with the board it's installed on.

Now if you've got political or religious reasons to prefer one over the other, that's ok too. But based on purely technical merit, they've both come out with some mighty fine products. I'm glad they're both around. They keep each other in line price wise and innovating.

Back to the original topic. I'd take the 3.4GHz CPU with 2MB cache and overclock it to 3.8.

lol with that speed and the ram to back it up i dont think it needs overclock lol.

[Phaihn]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

I wondered that also - then I looked at your signature in post #22

yeah thats my main system.

[mockingbird]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

Thanks for the correction. I wasn't aware that Pentium D was a dual core Netburst. I always thought that all dual core Pentiums were PPRO based and not netburst.

It's true Dothan was a Tualatin. Intel changed the bus on it to AGTL+ so that people wouldn't pop them in their old BX or 815 motherboards like they did with Tualatin. But then again Core was based on Dothan... All Israeli designed I might add. For some reason Intel is now moving "Sandy Ridge" from Israel back to the U.S. (Apparently, the US engineers are getting a second chance after their Netburst debacle).

I'm actually a fan of Netburst. The only thing I don't like about it is that P4 chips don't seem to last very long. They often start producing a lot of heat after a few years and can no longer operate at their default frequencies at reasonable temperatures. I read somewhere once that the lithographic traces break down, but I wonder why this happens much faster on Netburst...

[ratdude747]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

I'm actually a fan of Netburst. The only thing I don't like about it is that P4 chips don't seem to last very long. They often start producing a lot of heat after a few years and can no longer operate at their default frequencies at reasonable temperatures. I read somewhere once that the lithographic traces break down, but I wonder why this happens much faster on Netburst...

because p4 was a poor design. it was made to push high clock speeds to attract buyers. high speeds tend to have high heat... and since the clock cycles were inefficient, it had a high watts per performance ratio... watts=heat, so they baked themselves to death.

anyway, the move to isreal was since the us team was busy with netburst, they needed another team to tweak the PIII into the Pentium M. since core and later i_ were based off of that, they had more knowledge of the design and so it made sense to have them work on it. now, the us has nothing much to work on and they have been caught up on the workings of i_ , so now they have the job (intel's hq is in the US so having them do it is better in this case).

honestly, idc about who designs the chip, as long as it works it is progress.

[Phaihn]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

because p4 was a poor design. it was made to push high clock speeds to attract buyers. high speeds tend to have high heat... and since the clock cycles were inefficient, it had a high watts per performance ratio... watts=heat, so they baked themselves to death.

anyway, the move to isreal was since the us team was busy with netburst, they needed another team to tweak the PIII into the Pentium M. since core and later i_ were based off of that, they had more knowledge of the design and so it made sense to have them work on it. now, the us has nothing much to work on and they have been caught up on the workings of i_ , so now they have the job (intel's hq is in the US so having them do it is better in this case).

honestly, idc about who designs the chip, as long as it works it is progress.

yep thats for sure. and the one in my main system has bean ok gets a bit warm but i know how to deal with heat.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

~~~~ But then again Core was based on Dothan... All **Israeli designed** I might add. For some reason Intel ~~~~

And hence we know the real reason a certain member chooses AMD.
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[goodpsusearch]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

lol

[stj]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

the Intel Plant isnt in Isreal, it's in Palestine,
or as the devils would call it, "Disputed land"
but then it becomes clear when you realise Israeli exports have special tax status in the u.s. and eu.

AMD just shifted to mexico for cheap labor - so both are bastards in there own way!

[stj]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

and my hate for Intel goes way back further than that fucker Andy Grove opening the Palestine plant.

It stems from the original Pentium floating point bug - or more accurately, Intel's attitude over it.
"it will only effect scientists - so fuck everybody!" or something similar!

[stj]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

The only thing I don't like about it is that P4 chips don't seem to last very long. They often start producing a lot of heat after a few years and can no longer operate at their default frequencies at reasonable temperatures. I read somewhere once that the lithographic traces break down, but I wonder why this happens much faster on Netburst...

maybe the thermal interface material between the silicon & the metal cover is degrading.
if you have a cpu getting too hot, try removing the cover.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

It stems from the original Pentium floating point bug - or more accurately, Intel's attitude over it.

Intel replaced the CPU's for anyone that chose to get them replaced.

That represents a bad attitude how?

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[stj]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

not in europe they damned well didnt.
you had to show proof that it was used in a scientific enviroment.

maybe in the u.s. they where worried about a possible class-action.
you have those like weekends, in europe they are more rare than an honest politician.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

Not after Dec 20 1994.
That was only 2 months after the problem became known.

After that all you had to do was be an end user and ask.
Not Intel's fault you weren't paying attention.

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium/fdiv/

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[brethin]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

How is all of this Intel babble related to the original question? :P

[Phaihn]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

How is all of this Intel babble related to the original question? :P

who knows lol

[PCBONEZ]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

How is all of this Intel babble related to the original question? :P

Pretty much answered days ago, and........

fo·rum n. pl. fo·rums also fo·ra
1.
a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

2. A public meeting or presentation involving an open discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
3. A court of law; a tribunal.

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[acstech]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

How is all of this Intel babble related to the original question? :P

It isn't.

The open discussion one is a few down on the main page, if you really want to interject politics.

But it is in "general computer discussion" so it's ok as long as it doesn't go too far off and stays "computer related," in general.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

Besides which.
- As I recall P4 was an Intel CPU.

[pfrcom]

Re: whats better a 3.4 ghz cpu or a 3.8?

Israel building computer stuff for US manufacturers is not recent

I worked for Control Data Australia in 1975 - in those days Control Data Corporation (Minneapolis) made the world's fastest computers

And their Control Data System17 mini-computers were produced in Israel

I believe many CDC designers migrated to Digital Equipment Corporation while CDC was sliding into oblivion

And many DEC people ended up at Intel and Microsoft after DEC's glory days were over