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Old 11-22-2010, 12:14 AM   #101
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Default Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

This was shawly not a 500W like it claimed to be. Notice the heat damage on the output. The wires were melted near the PCB. The funny thing is that when I peeled off the label with the SHAW brand, there ws another label claiming it was a Ritmo. Any ideas who made it? Maybe TaiwanBreakDownComponents Company? The heatsinks were OK-ish, but the 5vsb transistor was a total joke - about the same size as the one on kc8's echo star 480.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:42 AM   #102
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Default Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

I've got a some 300 Watt Hyenas (Deer) that look better than that thing.
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:14 AM   #103
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I got a good picture of the wires. I stuck the 12v ones out (which were melted together) so you could see how discoloured they were.
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:18 AM   #104
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:48 PM   #105
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That looks absolutely horrible. Did the fan seize? If not, I wonder what caused the thermal runaway. It doesn't help either that they put big low-ohm loading resistors on the secondary.
And, yes, you can tell the 5vsb transistor was undersized - note the burn marks on its spot on the PCB.

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Old 11-22-2010, 07:10 PM   #106
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The fan did indeed quit on this PSU, which is probably why it got so hot.
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Old 11-22-2010, 07:34 PM   #107
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You wonder why people don't notice their fans making hideous grinding noises.... A friend of mine had a 133Mhz Pentium and the PSU fan was in terrible condition.

I did not know about capacitor problems at that time but luckily we just replaced the whole PSU.
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Old 11-22-2010, 09:07 PM   #108
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They probably notice, but because the PC still appears to be working, they don't care.
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Old 11-22-2010, 09:33 PM   #109
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They probably notice, but because the PC still appears to be working, they don't care.
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Btw, here in Greece, I see many Linkworlds (LPQ, LPH or LPK) that use Sleeve Bearing Globe Fans and as they work at full speed all the time they fail quite often.

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Old 11-30-2010, 02:31 AM   #110
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Sky 550 watt. It looks like TaiwanBreakDownComponents Company got the transformer right, for once as it's a real 35 size, but everything else is wrong. The transient input filtering is missing (other than only 2 Y-caps), the primary switchers claim to be 13009s, but they look too small. On the secondary, we have a 16A fast recovery on the 12v and 20A schottkys for the other two rails. All of the caps are BH. The primaries are 470uF. All of the rails have a pair of 1000uF caps on them, except for the -12, which has a single 470uF. The fan looks like an off-brand (HongGu). Probably could be re-built like my rexpower, but I'm not in any mood that at the moment, so it will probably just die a spectacular death on my load tester or get the sledge hammer treatment.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:07 AM   #111
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Default Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

correct me if i am wrong, but it appears that the grounding pin on the AC connector goes nowhere

i would desolder the transformer out of it and find a junk small one to put in before you fry... the tranny might be good for a unit with a small tranny but good everything else

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Old 11-30-2010, 01:04 PM   #112
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The ground wire does actually connect to the case. It's just not easy to see in the picture. But it is still a gutless wonder.
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:06 PM   #113
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It blew up at 277 watts on the load tester. Here's the carnaige
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:37 PM   #114
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Default Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

Shame. It didn't look that bad actually. Definitely not 500W, but I would have expected it to do 250W continuous, maybe 300W for short durations.
At least you got spare parts now .
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...It didn't look that bad actually...
Yes it did. It had no PI filter coils on the secondary and no way of adding them.
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What blew in it?
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Not sure. The primary swithers looked OK, although I didn't test them and they had gotten so hot that the plastic rings around the screws had melted. A few of the nearby resistors looked burned out, though. The burn mark is actually almost invisible on the component side of the PCB. Unforunately, I can't get any more pics as after it blew up, I scavenged the transformer and wires and gave it the sledge hammer treatment.

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Old 12-01-2010, 02:01 PM   #118
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Looks like the primary switchers blew out.
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Here's another shocker. Tiny transformer, miniscule heatsinks and half a PCB. The best part is, it's an FSP (more specifically, a Gigabyte "300W"). It did actually do 320W on the load tester, but the DMM wouldn't settle when I was reading the voltages.
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:32 AM   #120
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lol

It must be loud.
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