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    Plasma cutting torch-chopper board miss communication

    We have a plasma cutting machine that cut metal on a table bed

    We live in Florida and weather had been raining with 91 to 95 % humility

    Here is where the problem starts we had this problem for about 2 years off and on when the weather would be raining and humidity at 90 to 95 % sometimes the plasma would fire and run but not always it would fire but not cut the problem would not stay there to figure out what the problem was

    But when you would look at the trouble shooting screen on the machine controller it would not show any error message but the set point for the amperage that CAD program would say 200 amps the set point should be for the chopper should 100 amps for two choppers to = 200 amp but instead of showing the right set point it would show either 0 , 40 , 140 for each chopper which completely wrong

    Now last week Tuesday it was raining again with 90 to 95 % humidity and of course here we go again the plasma torch would fire but would not cut and was showing the wrong chopper set points

    So I called tech support and they logged in to our machine and technician that was helping with this problem

    try a few things which did not work which has been done in the past and this would make the plasma torch work again for a little while and then would do the same thing again

    So the tech that worked with me on this problem a few times before says I do not know what going on here

    So he had pull the communication cable from the machine controller to plasma controller and clean both ends of the connectors and reinstall them this did not help either

    This problem was going on it's second day being on the phone with tech support and not getting any where

    Now in the past when we have had problems with CON communication cards on the plasma controller before not communicating with each other but when that happens you get a communication error

    and that error would tell which card is having the problem-----****---- not always

    So I took the covers where these or cards are and look to see if the cards are communicating with each other they have two LED lights that blink if they are working

    I saw some of the card with a light amount of dust on them so I blew them off but that did not help

    The plasma torch still would not work so look a the status lights on the chopper boards there are two lights on each board there are four of them they are all ON the ones that should be ON

    There is some light dust on these board as well so I blew all four chopper board off as well

    Would you know it the plasma torch fire up and now it is cutting and the trouble shooting screen is now reporting the right settings

    Now who would of thought that a little bit of dust and very high humidity would cause all this trouble

    So I emailed tech support person that was helping me again and told him what I had found and what I had done and his reply was the photo below with Gremlins ?? Above the photo

    Which my reply was is there any cure for this

    His reply

    Bright Lights

    My reply was real funny
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    Last edited by sam_sam_sam; 06-11-2017, 04:22 PM.
    9 PC LCD Monitor
    6 LCD Flat Screen TV
    30 Desk Top Switching Power Supply
    10 Battery Charger Switching Power Supply for Power Tool
    6 18v Lithium Battery Power Boards for Tool Battery Packs
    1 XBox 360 Switching Power Supply and M Board
    25 Servo Drives 220/460 3 Phase
    6 De-soldering Station Switching Power Supply 1 Power Supply
    1 Dell Mother Board
    15 Computer Power Supply
    1 HP Printer Supply & Control Board * lighting finished it *


    These two repairs where found with a ESR meter...> Temp at 50*F then at 90*F the ESR reading more than 10%

    1 Over Head Crane Current Sensing Board ( VFD Failure Five Years Later )
    2 Hem Saw Computer Stack Board

    All of these had CAPs POOF
    All of the mosfet that are taken out by bad caps

    #2
    Re: Plasma cutting torch-chopper board miss communication

    momaka warned me about this before. he said moist dust tends to stick and adhere to surfaces. this can form an insulating layer that can cause heatsinks to perform slightly worse than expected due to dust getting in the way of the heat being dissipated from the heatsink to the air. i guess the same applies to electrical conductivity as well not just thermal conductivity.

    i live in a humid tropical climate as well and often experience problems with pci-e, pci, agp expansion cards and dimms not being detected by the mobo. i have to clean the goldfingers on the cards as well as the mobo slot to get the stuff detected by the mobo again.

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      #3
      Re: Plasma cutting torch-chopper board miss communication

      the dust generated by a cnc plasma is conductive.
      thats why i got a samson 5x10 nearly free.
      had to clean EVERYTHING!

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        #4
        Re: Plasma cutting torch-chopper board miss communication

        ^^Exactly.
        The dust contains metal particles.
        Same problems occur with laser cutting machines.
        Same dust created: just much less compared to a plasma since the kerf is not as wide...
        I've got a free APC UPS for the same reason
        Last edited by Per Hansson; 06-18-2017, 09:31 AM.
        "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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          #5
          Re: Plasma cutting torch-chopper board miss communication

          Update

          The plasma is cutting at 200 amps so the miscommunication problem is still there I give you an update when I figure out what this problem is the plasma will not cut 400 amps
          Last edited by sam_sam_sam; 06-18-2017, 08:07 AM.
          9 PC LCD Monitor
          6 LCD Flat Screen TV
          30 Desk Top Switching Power Supply
          10 Battery Charger Switching Power Supply for Power Tool
          6 18v Lithium Battery Power Boards for Tool Battery Packs
          1 XBox 360 Switching Power Supply and M Board
          25 Servo Drives 220/460 3 Phase
          6 De-soldering Station Switching Power Supply 1 Power Supply
          1 Dell Mother Board
          15 Computer Power Supply
          1 HP Printer Supply & Control Board * lighting finished it *


          These two repairs where found with a ESR meter...> Temp at 50*F then at 90*F the ESR reading more than 10%

          1 Over Head Crane Current Sensing Board ( VFD Failure Five Years Later )
          2 Hem Saw Computer Stack Board

          All of these had CAPs POOF
          All of the mosfet that are taken out by bad caps

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