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    #21
    Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

    Thanks for everyone's help! This forum has helped me ALOT with this issue.

    I just have another question, corsair or antec? Price does somewhat matter, but I'm willing to spend 20-45 bucks more on something that will last longer. is it also true that using non dell PSU's fry components? And is special connectors on Dell PSU'S an issue?

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      #22
      Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

      Depends on the series. The corsair TX series are good, but they don't go lowet than 650W. The Antec HCG series are also not too bad, but 520W is as low as they go.

      Personally, I like XFX, since all of their PSUs have good caps. I'd be using (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817207018 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817207013. 450W is enough for your PC, but if you plan on upgrading your PC in the future, then the extra hundred watts won't hurt.

      EDIT: The Dell/Hell specialised connector is a thing of long ago. They all use standard connectors now and have for the last several years, so using a non-Hell branded PSU is perfectly fine.
      Last edited by c_hegge; 03-14-2012, 09:07 PM.
      I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

      No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

      Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

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        #23
        Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

        And is it true that non dell PSU'S fry components?

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          #24
          Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

          Sorry, I edited my last post. It used to be an issue 10 years ago, but it's fine now. I have used non-Hell branded PSUs on lots of Hell Dementia and XPS (Dell Dimension) PCs and it's never been a problem.
          I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

          No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

          Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

          Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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            #25
            Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

            Does the Awful nasty trash thing still apply to antec?


            I might most likely buy an XFX
            Last edited by Kylethedude1; 03-14-2012, 09:28 PM.

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              #26
              Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

              Also, I know this is off topic, but should I put some Arctic Silver on my CPU instead of dells cheap crap? I don't think it comes stock.


              Will these PSU'S both fit my case?
              Last edited by Kylethedude1; 03-14-2012, 09:26 PM.

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                #27
                Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                Originally posted by Kylethedude1 View Post
                My PSU says: dell model: AC460AD-00
                REV: A00
                DATE: B1144
                Total Power 460W MAX
                Interesting. That is not a commonly used model and I couldn't find much information on it. I'm guessing the AC means it's and ACbel but I couldn't find any info to confirm that. If you post the UL number (starts with an E, located under the UL symbol) I might be able to confirm the actual manufacture. I'm guessing the multiple failures / replacements is why you got a model of PSU not commonly used in that system, by the time of the repair/ replacement they may have moved to different manufactures than what was used in normal production or they may have tried something different due to the failures. Dell PSUs in general seem to have gone downhill over the last few years. They used to be almost exclusively Delta/Newton, LiteOn, and HiPro, but I have been seeing units from Bestec, Huntkey, and other less than stellar manufactures in recent models, although they still use some Delta/Newton, LiteOn, and HiPro PSUs it is common for them to use multiple PSU manufactures for the same system, making what you get the luck of the draw.

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                  #28
                  Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                  The Awfull Nasty Trash with Exploding Capacitors thing still applies to their low end units, but not the HCGs. Personally, I just don't buy Antec stuff at all because I hate them as a company after the way they tried to cover up the Smartpower disaster and pretend it was never an issue, plus the issues I've had with my case.

                  Any standard ATX PSU will fit in your case, so yes, both of those units will fit.

                  I'd say go for the Arctic Silver. Clean the old stuff off and just put a small blob of it about half the size of a pea in the middle of the CPU.
                  I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                  No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                  Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                  Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                    #29
                    Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                    Originally posted by Kylethedude1 View Post
                    Also, I know this is off topic, but should I put some Arctic Silver on my CPU instead of dells cheap crap? I don't think it comes stock.
                    It can't hurt but probably isn't necessary. The stock thermal compound is generally sufficient since the Dell board isn't overclockable. If you have some AS go for it, It can't hurt and may even improve temps.

                    Originally posted by Kylethedude1 View Post
                    Will these PSU'S both fit my case?
                    Yes, The Dell mounting pattern is ATX but the stock PSU is actually slightly oversized compared to standard ATX dimensions so there may be some gaps around the PSU for some units, however any standard ATX unit will fit.
                    Last edited by dmill89; 03-14-2012, 09:39 PM.

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                      #30
                      Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                      Originally posted by c_hegge View Post
                      The Awfull Nasty Trash with Exploding Capacitors thing still applies to their low end units
                      I'm not sure I'd go that far. They might not be as good as high end units but are comparable in their price range. The low-end units do have Ltec(Delta units), OST (SeaSonic units), and CapXon (FSP units) but none of them have anywhere near the failure rate of the Fuhjyyu caps in the old CWT built Antec PSUs. These "budget" PSUs will generally last 4-5 years+ under normal use / conditions which is comparable to most other PSUs in their price range. The HCG and HCP with 100% Japanese caps are more reliable, basically as good as other premium units from good manufactures and HCG/HCP are often priced lower than these competitive premium units.

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                        #31
                        Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                        LTEC, OST and CapXon are all 'Replace on sight' brands for me. 4-5 years is too short a lifespan for me. I want 10+ years from my PSUs.
                        I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                        No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                        Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                        Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                          #32
                          Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                          Originally posted by c_hegge View Post
                          LTEC, OST and CapXon are all 'Replace on sight' brands for me. 4-5 years is too short a lifespan for me. I want 10+ years from my PSUs.
                          I fully agree, but remember that Antecs with these caps are budget units, and I have yet to find a budget unit from any manufacture that has 100% premium Japanese caps. It would be nice to see good quality caps in every PSU from a respectable major manufacture, but at the relatively low price points of budget units manufactures will look to anything that will save money and not increase failure rates during the warranty period, caps are a prime target for this since they have a relatively predictable life span and failure mode. it may only be a few cents per unit but of course when you produce thousands or even millions of units those few cents add up. I'm not saying these are the best PSUs, but they are not any worse than similarly speced and priced units from other major respectable brands.
                          Last edited by dmill89; 03-14-2012, 10:20 PM.

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                            #33
                            Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                            XFX don't offer anything without Japanese capacitors. If the manufacturer is really that desparate for the extra few cents, I'll more than happily pay an extra few cents for the PSU. It's nothing but planned obselesence IMO.
                            I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                            No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                            Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                            Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                              #34
                              Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                              Thanks for everyone's help! This forum has helped me ALOT with this issue.

                              I just have another question, corsair or antec? Price does somewhat matter, but I'm willing to spend 20-45 bucks more on something that will last longer. is it also true that using non dell PSU's fry components? And is special connectors on Dell PSU'S an issue?
                              I didn't know you minded that much, in that case i'd say go for a corsair tx650. I have a tx850 and I pull 80%+ power off it with no problem

                              antec used to really suck, but in the past few years, their quality has gotten really good.

                              clean off both surfaces with 91% isoprobyl WELL. Put a little dab in the middle, then take ether some plastic surface over your finger (a fresh plastic bag) (I use sterile latex gloves but thats just me) and spread it thin. you want to cover the whole area, but make it thin. The thinner, without smearing it off, the better. There is no better heat transfer then metal on metal, but all the micro chasms on both surfaces actually prevent real metal on metal, which is why you need thermal paste, but a THIN layer


                              edit: oh yeah, and the inside of the earthwatts, as with most PSU's, you never know what you're going to get. I've seen reviews with pics of samxon and rubycons, to UCC's and capxons (and one rubycon). I think the latter versions are better (samxon and rubys)
                              Last edited by Uranium-235; 03-14-2012, 10:35 PM.
                              Cap Datasheet Depot: http://www.paullinebarger.net/DS/
                              ^If you have datasheets not listed PM me

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                                #35
                                Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                                Could the PSUS in my old dells (sent back for replacement since then) be what made the fans go SUPER SUPER Loud and make the smoke+burn smell?
                                And if I'm into gaming on my PC, and multitasking with several applications open, does that affect the PSU I should get?

                                I really appreciate everyone that's helped me with this so far, thank you.

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                                  #36
                                  Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                                  I emailed corsair before I visited this forum asking about a good psu and if it could damage my system. And you said I'm fine with my dell 8300 to upgrade the psu right?


                                  This is their reply:
                                  Dear Kyle,
                                  All of our PSUs meet the latest ATX specifications (ATX 2.1-ATX2.3), however not all system manufacturers build their systems to ATX spec.* this is why there are reports of aftermarket power supplies damaging OEM systems. You will neeYd to make sure that the system you have is designed for a standard ATX PSU.* In some cases OEM manufacturers use proprietary or outdated designs, so it is best to check with the system manufacturer to be sure.

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                                    #37
                                    Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                                    Originally posted by Kylethedude1 View Post
                                    I emailed corsair before I visited this forum asking about a good psu and if it could damage my system. And you said I'm fine with my dell 8300 to upgrade the psu right?


                                    This is their reply:
                                    Dear Kyle,
                                    All of our PSUs meet the latest ATX specifications (ATX 2.1-ATX2.3), however not all system manufacturers build their systems to ATX spec.* this is why there are reports of aftermarket power supplies damaging OEM systems. You will neeYd to make sure that the system you have is designed for a standard ATX PSU.* In some cases OEM manufacturers use proprietary or outdated designs, so it is best to check with the system manufacturer to be sure.
                                    You are fine the proprietary Dell PSUs date back to the Pentium 2 and Pentium 3 era. Once they want to ATX 12v (Pentium 4) Dell went to a standard ATX connector. Given your system is much newer than these non-standard connectors are not an issue for the XPS 8300.

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                                      #38
                                      Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                                      What type of arctic silver is the best?

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                                        #39
                                        Re: Dell XPS 8300 issues

                                        Originally posted by Kylethedude1 View Post
                                        What type of arctic silver is the best?
                                        Arctic Silver 5 (the actual silver based Arctic Silver) is generally considered best but it is conductive so you must be extremely careful not to get any on any contacts, leads, exposed traces, or surface mount components.

                                        Arctic Silver Ceramique (Ceramic Based non-conductive) is a close second and since it is non-conductive it is much more forgiving to mistakes.

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