Shame on you Corsair! (Capxon)

[c_hegge]

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Yah. I do really think that corsair needs to come away from CWT if they want to sell good quality gear. Admittedly, though, I do have a corsair HX-750, and it survived 920W on the load tester. However, I did find something a little disturbing - a solder hanging by a thread in the glue of one of the DC-DC VRMs

[goodpsusearch]

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Yah. I do really think that corsair needs to come away from CWT if they want to sell good quality gear. Admittedly, though, I do have a corsair HX-750, and it survived 920W on the load tester. However, I did find something a little disturbing - a solder hanging by a thread in the glue of one of the DC-DC VRMs

I read today your review and it is awesome.

But when it comes to me I would never recommend/buy a CWT made psu again.

[momaka]

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I thought OST was crap too. Teapo, I've pulled a couple of them. Ltec - no experience myself, but I've seen the occasional one in monitors bulged on these forums.

Ost is almost on par with Teapo in my experience. I have 2 motherboards here with Ost caps - my ESC P4VXASD2+ and AsRock 939Dual-SATA2. Both are still very stable. The ESC is very interesting, in particular, because it was powered its entire life by a completely gutless CyberLink PSU (only 2x 470uf caps on the 5V rail!!!) and this thing sucks juice from the 5V rail to power the CPU. Yet the Ost caps are all still fine. The VRM high caps do get a little hot under heavy CPU use, but other than that no stability problems. I don't think you're going to find a motherboard anywhere with CapXon caps - and that's a good thing too, because IMO they just won't last even a second in a VRM circuit. In my experience, CapXon is almost down there with GSC/Evercon/Sacon and Rulycon. Almost everything I've seen with CapXon I've had to recap at one point or another. If they don't bulge, they leak from the bung. Sometimes when I do pre-emptive recapping, I can tell if the CapXon caps were about to fail - they feel very light, sound hollow when you tap them, and you can see some dried liquid spots on the bung indicating that they might have leaked some of their electrolyte.

[tom66]

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Just pulled one of my 5 year old PCs out of the attic... was my dad's old PC... always had stability problems, just now I realised why... it has about 15 bulging OSTs...

[momaka]

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Just pulled one of my 5 year old PCs out of the attic... was my dad's old PC... always had stability problems, just now I realised why... it has about 15 bulging OSTs...

Yeah, see that's just one of the major problems with Ost - sometimes they last and sometimes they don't. I do also have a P4 Shuttle PC with some dead Ost caps. I don't think they like the heat too much.

[goodpsusearch]

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Capxon on the other hand are more reliable. You know they are not going to last...

[momaka]

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Capxon on the other hand are more reliable. You know they are not going to last...

You mean predictable??? I agree!

[MDOC]

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Rulycon caps don't exist no more. And i've seen Fuhjyyu last more than CapXon. TV repair shops here like to use CapXon because they guarantee that the TV will be back in an year or two.

And it has nothing to do with espionage, I know.

[Pentium4]

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Ost is almost on par with Teapo in my experience. I have 2 motherboards here with Ost caps - my ESC P4VXASD2+ and AsRock 939Dual-SATA2. Both are still very stable. The ESC is very interesting, in particular, because it was powered its entire life by a completely gutless CyberLink PSU (only 2x 470uf caps on the 5V rail!!!) and this thing sucks juice from the 5V rail to power the CPU. Yet the Ost caps are all still fine. The VRM high caps do get a little hot under heavy CPU use, but other than that no stability problems. I don't think you're going to find a motherboard anywhere with CapXon caps - and that's a good thing too, because IMO they just won't last even a second in a VRM circuit. In my experience, CapXon is almost down there with GSC/Evercon/Sacon and Rulycon. Almost everything I've seen with CapXon I've had to recap at one point or another. If they don't bulge, they leak from the bung. Sometimes when I do pre-emptive recapping, I can tell if the CapXon caps were about to fail - they feel very light, sound hollow when you tap them, and you can see some dried liquid spots on the bung indicating that they might have leaked some of their electrolyte.

Unfortunately, where I work, our Intel motherboards (DH77EB) have 4 100uf 16V CapXon and lots of CapXon polymers. We haven't had too many problems but then again we've only been using them for about a year

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Looks like GSC, Evercon, Sacon, Chhsi and Lelon are the worst.

It's possible that even "JEE" caps are better than those!

And it's possible that Elite is the worst in PSUs.

Because I have a PSU pulled from a 2003 Dell Dimension 2350 with a bulging Elite cap and noticed it on July 19.
And that was even with a light load for 90 percent of the time!

[momaka]

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Unfortunately, where I work, our Intel motherboards (DH77EB) have 4 100uf 16V CapXon and lots of CapXon polymers. We haven't had too many problems but then again we've only been using them for about a year

Polymers are a different animal and even polymers from crap brands seem to do fairly well..... or so seems the case right now. I guess time will tell better.

[Kiriakos GR]

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The number of CapXon I have pulled... I mean WHY do manufacturers still insist on using these? They are really terrible caps!

Probably because there is terrible users that even one email is a boring job for them.

By the way, why one off warranty product should interest the company who made it ?

[turbozutek]

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Friends don't let friends buy Teapo cap equipped hardware.

[c_hegge]

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Friends don't let friends buy Teapo cap equipped hardware.

+1. This

[tom66]

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But I'm quite happy to receive broken equipment with Teapo! Makes my repair so much easier.

[Behemot]

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It's Corsair's low-end, what do you expect? Seasonic's OEM PSU's are similar crap inside. Enermax's NAXN is not even build by Enermax, I guess it's so much below their standard they don't want to get their hands dirty. Or CWT just can sell them for less to Enermax than what would cost them to build it on their own;-)

But now when there's OCZ ZS 500 W on our market here, there is not really anything else to buy if you don't want silver or better 80 PLUS efficiency. It's cheaper than many 400W units with simialr quality. I am really surprised how cheap that thing is considering it's build quality, but I guess in OCZ they did their math and realized if they got lower margins on every unit but sell several times more fo them, it's still good deal.

[Shocker]

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It's not like the rest of the PC only costs $50.

I still don't think crap caps are excusable, and to that end I'm surprised by the latest HWI review. I know OST isn't the worst brand, but I still think Japanese caps should have been used, even at that price point.

EDIT: So I take it OCZ is now the go-to brand for a budget PSU???

[Behemot]

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OCZ ZS is now like cheapest PSU to take if you want good built quality without compromises.

All these entry level supplies from good manufacturers are just filling spots between craps (not able to provide specified power, crappy insides) and good models (from OK to excellent insides). You get good components but caps for reasonable price. For me, the minimum is the cheapest PSU without any compromise. But most people when they finally decide to buy something else than average crap, they do not want to give the money for good supply anyway. So they all buy these OEM, NAXN or CS series.

It's not like the manufacturers aren't offering good PSU's, they are (unlike many other companies in different arreas of industry). But many people are not willing to buy that. So they all have to offer these lower models. Customers want them. If e. g. Enermax won't, than OCZ and Seasonic will get the sales.

[c_hegge]

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EDIT: So I take it OCZ is now the go-to brand for a budget PSU???

Yes, but the ZS series don't go lower than 550W, and AFAIK the only lower wattage PSU available in Aus with Japanese caps are was the XFX core edition 450W, but XFX stuff is no longer available in Aus.

[Behemot]

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You can get the 550W ZS for same price like the Corsair CX500, what else would you like;-)