MSI MS-6312 Used in Gateway Flex System - Bad Capacitors

[Newbie]

You might want to find a shop that has a POST card. I believe that it must be PCI for this application. That may narrow down the problem if you can't find anything visually. Good luck!

How much do those cards run?

This system worked fine for several years and suddenly went dead some time ago. I think it might have been because all the dust that collected around the PSU may have caused it to overheat. The PSU was right next to the CPU and it's fan was the only active cooling device in the whole system.

The capacitors seem fine except the one on the lower right (see pict) is buldging very slightly. I'm not sure if it's significant to indicate a problem.

[willawake]

Newbie : i dont think you need a post card to diagnose that problem. Are those all chhsi caps? chhsi = crap. I have recapped several msi boards with chhsi caps. What are the caps around the cpu? are they Jackcon? crap also

caps can either fail visibly, like they might bulge or even leak at the top or bottom. They can also fail inside and it is not seen from their appearance that they have failed.

If the board is dead most probably one or more of the caps have failed open, preventing power from reaching part of the board. In the unlikely event that something else is the problem. a board with even one bulging chhsi cap is not a good idea to use.

you must replace all capacitors 1000uf and above which looks to be about 10, that is not too many at all. MSI boards are also easy to work with so it is a nice beginners board. After replacing the caps the board will be perfect.

what is the card in pci1, is it your NIC? it is full of stone caps. crap also. prolly be ok though. If you require another NIC sometime in the future i recommend intel pro100mt or pro1000mt or otherwise 3com. cheap and great.

whilst temperature is a factor in capacitor life and dust on heatsinks raises temperature, even in a well ventilated case chhsi caps on motherboards will fail early.

if your gonna recap the board, we are here to assist. please read the FAQs also for some info.

[willawake]

Bullitt : what is your camera, it is taking nice macro

[Neo2_000]

I would go one further.

Being MSI, they will almost all be Chhsi caps.

Certainly replace them all - even the 470uF ones. I have seen a number of these fail, whether visibly or measured with an ESR meter.

Chhsi are rock bottom crapcaps so don't fool around. Even if they haven't failed yet, you can bet they will soon enough.

[thomasb0110]

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I have one of these systems that has gone dead also. Have looked at the caps and they all look good. I have tried all the normal trouble shooting and the system wont power on at all. The cpu, memory and psu all work in another system, I even took the board out of the case and still no luck. I have been reading this forum for over a year and since this seems to be a good board for a novice to recap does anyone think this could be the problem? I have already removed 11 caps,
4 Jackcon 2700uf 6.3v sz 018
2 Chhsi 1500uf 10v WG (M)
3 Chhsi 1000uf 6.3v HK (M) 0116
2 Chhsi 470uf 16v HK (M)
Is this board worth trying to recap?
Also I noticed when I was removing the old caps that some of them seemed to be dried up, a brown powder came out of a couple of them. Is this normal?

[willawake]

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Have looked at the caps and they all look good.

looks can deceive my friend. inside they are probably dried up crap.

yeah i would recommend having a go at recapping it. if you dont get a boot after recapping let us know to assist further.

[Bullitt]

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Bullitt : what is your camera, it is taking nice macro

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply.

My camera is an old Sony Cybershot DSC-P50. It's only 2.1mega pixels but the optics are really good and the macro function works excellent.

I just finished replacing the capacitors on the MS-6312 board tonight with Nichicom HE series from Digikey and the board works perfectly now.

[yanz]

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glad to hear that. congrats!

[willawake]

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good work Bullitt!!!!

[Tomsundy]

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Thanks Badcaps,

I tried to fix one of these for a friend.
Came in a Gateway Flex 933c (MSI MS-6312 (Brookings) w/printer port).
After a 3 weeks of trying every DOS & Windows versions I could find, I gave up to told friend it was shot, since DOS worked when he asked if I wanted the system I said yes.
Now, 3 months later I found Badcaps.net.
2 of the 2700uf Jackon capacitors had rust on top, all 4 were round on top.
I replaced all 4 of the 2700's, got replacements from Newark In One which I got from the FAQ (no minimum to buy, 2 day delivery).
System is up and running smooth (for a P3-933). Since its my #3 system (belongs to my daughter), it does the job.

Thanks again, Tom

[willawake]

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nice to hear success stories, well done

[thomasb0110]

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Thanks Badcaps,

I had also tried to fix one of these for a friend. As I said in an earlier post the system was dead. Switched out power supply, cpu, memory, the works even had my friend get a Gateway tech on the line to confirm the board was dead. Well sorry for the bad picture but as you can see it now will boot, I was even able to get Windows 98 installed with no errors. Right now I have a celeron 600 in it just in case something goes wrong.

Looks can deceive my friend. inside they are probably dried up crap.
Willawake you were right they were dried up.
Thanks again

[kc8adu]

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just had one come in at the store that ran long enough with the 2 chhsi in the vrm bad that they were black and the vrm blown up.
at least i get to mine it for the usb stack and stuff before it hits the can.

[Charleymarbles]

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anyone know where to get a kit for these boards? I'v looked all over but no luck yet. i need 2 1500uF 10v 10mm,3 1000uF 6.3v 8mm,4 2700uF 6.3v 10mm,5 470uF 10v 6mm,and 2 470uF 16v 8mm caps to replace them all? thanx in advance


Chuck

[MD Willington]

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Contact TopCat on this website...

[Charleymarbles]

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I've sent him costom cap orders at least 3 times now and nothing? I don't understand? I realy would like to try to recap this board but I need the caps or at least the prices of them so I can see if it is cost effective?Any help would be appreciated thanx in advance.


Chuck

[Topcat]

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I've sent him costom cap orders at least 3 times now and nothing? I don't understand? I realy would like to try to recap this board but I need the caps or at least the prices of them so I can see if it is cost effective?Any help would be appreciated thanx in advance.


Chuck

I dont recall receiving anything from you. PM me what you need.

[Charleymarbles]

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Hey TopCat did you get my PM? just wondering I need to make a decision on this board as far as if I'm gonna recap or just spend the $50 on a direct replacement that will unfourtunatly prolly do the same thing in a year

Chuck

[parunner]

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Anyone ever find a motherboard that would replace the MSI MS-6312 (Used in Gateway Flex System w/ printer port) that seems to be a piece of junk. I have two of them with the same cap problem you all have been talking about, and wonder if replacing the whole motherboard would be less frustrating, (but not replacing it with the same piece of junk).

[AK0R]

Re: MSI MS-6312 Used in Gateway Flex System - Bad Capacitors

Anyone ever find a motherboard that would replace the MSI MS-6312 (Used in Gateway Flex System w/ printer port) that seems to be a piece of junk. I have two of them with the same cap problem you all have been talking about, and wonder if replacing the whole motherboard would be less frustrating, (but not replacing it with the same piece of junk).

Why not just recap them? From what others have said, they run very well once they have good-quality capacitors installed. It will probably cost less to buy new caps (and a soldering iron and solder bulb, if you don't already have them) than to buy two motherboards (which will most likely also have bad caps, unless you're lucky enough to find boards that someone has already recapped).