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    Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

    I recently started having issues with my Samsung LN52A630M1FXZA - it turns on and shows a very corrupted display, then turns itself off and on again, usually coming up properly on the 2nd or 3rd attempt. Sometimes when the display is corrupted, the speakers screech. After it turns on successfully, I can turn it on and off reliably. The failures usually happen the first time I turn it on each day.

    I opened it up and the caps all looked flawless (no bulge, no leakage), but I replaced 6 caps: CM854, CM855, CM856, CM858, CM851, CM852
    ). I didn't replace CM859 (a 50V 47uF cap).

    That didn't reliably solve the problems. The only input to the TV is from a computer via HDMI2. As far as I can tell, if I turn the TV on while the computer is sleeping, it works, but if the computer is driving a signal when the TV turns on, it sometimes doesn't work. I have an antenna, but I haven't tried powering up with the TV looking at the antenna input rather than HDMI2.

    I used the "EER Reset" (or something like that) in the service menu to attempt to reset the EEPROM. I haven't shorted any pins on anything because I couldn't identify the right chip.

    From reading a few other threads, it sounds like there may be problems with the main board. I've tried cooling off a few components to reproduce the issue (canned air, upside down), but so far I haven't found a reliable way. That said, I'm concerned about being too aggressive with cooling because it's humid here, and it's VERY easy to condense water / ice on components. I don't have a hair dryer to try preheating the board before I turn it on the first time (I have an iron and a blowtorch... but those don't seem ideal). I haven't tried cooling any components on the back of the board. I have a DMM but I don't have easy access to an oscilloscope.

    Where should I go from here? It looks like people are selling mainboards for about $110, and I found one place offering repairs for $55, but if I can narrow down the problem to something I can fix myself, I would prefer to do that. Thanks!

    edit: at least one component on the mainboard makes some noise, but I'm not sure which. It isn't loud enough that I would've noticed before taking everything apart.
    Last edited by CTho9305; 01-19-2015, 10:24 PM.

    #2
    Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

    Try this:
    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...&postcount=129
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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      #3
      Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

      I'll try that, thanks. It'll probably be a few days to get the cap. Is it ok to use short stub wires to connect the temporary cap?

      edit: it looks like the 100uF caps are physically larger than the original (47uF 10V 70mOhm), so I'll need wires anyway.
      Last edited by CTho9305; 01-20-2015, 12:09 AM.

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        #4
        Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

        The 100uF LOW ESR cap is just for trying to see if it will solve the the problem, if it does then you will need to get the correct size cap (https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...&postcount=128) I use KEMET.
        You can solder the small wires to each end of the cap (the one on the bottom side of the board) for testing.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          #5
          Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

          also maybe try your antennae or rca inputs to see if it acts up on all inputs.

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            #6
            Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

            Waiting for caps to arrive, but the antenna produces the same results. I also observed 1 case where after turning the computer on second still resulted in display corruption and a TV restart.

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              #7
              Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

              That seems to have worked, although I'll need to give it a few days to be sure. Does that mean the permanent fix is to replace C101 and C132?

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                #8
                Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                Originally posted by CTho9305 View Post
                That seems to have worked, although I'll need to give it a few days to be sure. Does that mean the permanent fix is to replace C101 and C132?
                You mean C102 as shown in my pictures? which is the one that is usually bad but I change C131 at the same time just in case.
                So you install the new cap or parallel another cap to try?
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  #9
                  Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                  Originally posted by budm View Post
                  You mean C102 as shown in my pictures? which is the one that is usually bad but I change C131 at the same time just in case.
                  So you install the new cap or parallel another cap to try?
                  Sorry, yeah C102 and C131. I soldered a cap (100uF 10V low ESR) in parallel with C102 as you recommended.

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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                    That is what I did to test on the 32", 37" and the 46" which they all start right up, so I just install the KEMET in place after the test. You can try leaving that 100uf cap in place to see how long it will last, that will be an interesting test.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      #11
                      Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                      Ok, it has turned on reliably every time since I soldered in the 100uF cap. Thanks!

                      It looks like C102 and C131 are input caps on the 5V supply to two of the regulators, so if C131 is bad, the temporary fix leaves the new capacitor pretty far away from IC102. I think I'll replace C102 and C131 with the caps matching the original specs (47uF, small enough to fit on the existing pads) this weekend.

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                        #12
                        Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                        Great news. You may get away with just replacing the C102, it is the input filter cap for the buck switching regulator. Same for the C131 for the other buck switching regulator and it is also important that the filter caps for the 5VSTBY on the power supply boards are good in the first place.
                        So lnxxA630 series basically use the same setup as the A550 series, glad to know that.
                        Last edited by budm; 01-27-2015, 08:13 PM.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                          #13
                          Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                          Bud,

                          A note on this repair as I've been doing quite a few of them. My finding is, if the board is any version of BN41-00975B or BN41-00975C, then it is susceptible to this issue. This is the actual board number that is stamped on the board itself next to the analog inputs. There are at least a dozen models utilizing this board. Both LCD and Plasmas.

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                            #14
                            Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                            This is good information. I replaced the power supply caps and still had the problem - attempted power cycles and screeching. I did get the set to come on with nothing connected, but it says 'resolution not supported' when I go to the service menu. Mine is an LN46A550P. Can I get by with a reset, or am I subject to the C102 replacement?

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                              #15
                              Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                              I would temporary solder 100uf 10V low ESR cap in parallel with C102 to see if i t will solve the problem.

                              "but it says 'resolution not supported'" are you feeding it with VGA from computer? You get that message if the computer video resolution is too high for the TV to display (>1080)
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                #16
                                Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                                NO it is with the RF cable connected and tuned to an HD channel in the area.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                                  I replaced the 47u cap, and the problem went away -- back in business. THANKS! Replacing C102 fixed it.
                                  Last edited by StayTuned; 01-29-2015, 10:46 AM.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                                    Resolution: Not Supported - This was not referring to the input signal, it was referring to an option in the service menu.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                                      Thanks for the repair follow-up.
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Samsung LN52A630 takes a couple tries to turn on

                                        My Samsung LN52A630 lets out a screech and cycles on and off when started cold. During the on/off cycles, it displays a progressively better image. the first image is a grainy green image. After 5-10 on/off cycles, the image is spectacular HD. Once warmed up, it can be turned off and then back on without issue.

                                        It is not clear from these threads if this is a capacitor issue on the power supply board or an issue on the main board. Discountdescramblers.com offers a main board fix for $49. They believe its the main board. All of the Capacitors on my TV look perfect.

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